Losing Delta and New Opportunities
 

Starting a thread for the wave of posts that are to come about the memo today

OO memo says they will assisting effected employees job opportunity's. I know they have a ERJ and CRJ short course ready...

Just make sure to leave your union lanyards/pins at the door.

Careful with that United hope, they need someone to drive your planes to the last day and lies sown with hope cost nothing.

Ya. They will throw out the UA aircraft carrot... but XJT seems the front runner for those, as there currently fleet will only be 25. You need 50’ish count to make it a feasible fleet...

Don't forget about flow to Allegiant.

They said they hoped to have the agreement finalized within the next few weeks and an announcement forthcoming.

They will have to hold to that timeline if they want people to stick around. I, for one, am not going to sit around waiting on promises of promises. Rob put that timeline out there, and he better not walk it back if he wants people to believe him.

Not terribly surprising. Been rumored for a while. I spent 6 years at Compass. Hoping you guys and gals get outta there ASAP. Be nice if Delta would hire more of you because of this.

Best of luck.

As a SkyWester I really feel for you all. I have friends that are current and former Compass and almost went there instead of SkyWest. We are all subcontractors and this type of thing can happen to any of us- a lot changes in a few years in the regional industry.

Regarding the lanyards- I am seeing them more often, even on pilots who are instructors (on line flights, not in the training center). One can hope.

Company calls today and tomorrow 1pm MSP time


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Eh, more ALPA lanyards/pins are fine by me!

Just for a data point for the new hires.. In 2016 we lost 6 planes for 4 months and it stopped upgrades and hiring for 6 months. So... Even in the best of cases with UAL, it's still a net loss of enough planes to make the music stop.. Furlough still definitely possible

Sorry to hear the bad news. Compass was a great place to get your time and GTFO. On the bright side, the legacies and cargo companies love Compass pilots- keep your apps updated and suits dry cleaned. Back in my day we complained about the Minot highspeeds and the Minneapolis Mamma’s. Then again, there was always “back-rub Betty” to brighten your day.

Do you all think Compass will be able to hold it together with 20 airplanes and moving the hq? It's a pretty big cost to move hq down to stl and it will be even harder to justify the cost when the overhead is basically the same for a fleet 1/3 the size of what it is now.

Honestly I think compass will let the aa flying go if they don't get any ual flying. Either that or combine the 3 carriers. Nothing else makes sense to me.

So sorry for the folks at Compass. I fear TSA is next. I wouldn't believe anything coming from management. Their goal is to keep the rig moving and will do whatever they need to make it happen. Anybody remember when the memo was put out denying the Bastian video last November? Hopefully this ends well for everyone but I don't think it will, unfortunately. :(

TSH has had an area for the CZ SOC and offices for a while at the GO in STL so that won't be a big issue they have been prepared for it for years. TSH has wanted to move everything to STL but was unable to do it because of something in the agreement with Delta. I've heard several times the CZ AA flying would eventually go back to Envoy just like the TSA 145s did but you never know. Also TSH management has been adamant about not combining certificates for years but this may change things.

You never heard about the lawsuit apparently.

Well I wonder how long until we hear if our start dates are cancelled (still being optimistic although I know reality). I really don't want to go to Skywest.

Then don’t man. We really don’t need a NH who doesn’t want to be here and there are plenty who do. We are going to get a union some day and it’s pretty quick progression to the west as FO and now CAs will probably be less then 4 years to West coast on ERJ. CRJ is like 2.5 years. I can say this, you would be the biggest fool to start at an airline that has a lot of unknowns right now.
https://youtu.be/OTrxEQnPtAg That would kinda be you, if you start class knowing what’s going on right now.



Sorry Compass people this is a tough one and I know if I was in your position I would be really upset, especially if I didn’t have any prospects. I wouldn’t want to start over at OO when I already had the seniority at CPZ. I wish y’all well and I think y’all will get some UAL flying, so I don’t believe the sky is falling.

The memo stated that Delta is allowing Compass to keep their HQ space in Building C in MSP.

Exactly, if you don't want to go somewhere, don't. For those that want to make the best of a bad situation and feel like it is time to jump from the CPZ ship, OO has the industry experience program that allows 121 pilots to get pay longevity. Doesn't mean anything for people with less than a year of 121 at their carrier, but if they have more, it is nice to be able to come on a year 3,4,5,6, etc. scale instead of having to start over at year 1.

That’s true regarding OO pay. Only down side for the ship jumpers is with the likely huge influx of base transfers to west coast from current guys and gals here who’ve been waiting to move West, new hires will likely be sent to reserve and out to ORD/LGA (if LGA remains open) or more likely MSP/DTW on the CRJ. West coast, even with the new flying, is historically not the easiest to get.

Except OO has been hiring a ton of Midwest guys. Compass took all the west coast guys. Yes there will be some. But west coast and a short course will be easy to get. (Short course online in a few weeks vs months...) think about inflight. Will they want to jump ship. Or commute across the country for rumors of more flying???

Very sorry to hear this for the compass guys and gals, hopefully Delta does the right thing and interviews your pilots and staff for mainline positions. I commute with compass and have nothing but high regards for the group.

Can anyone share what the current percentage of flying compass does with DAL/AA? Can AA absorb the loss of the DL flying?

36 AC for DL / 20 AC for AA

Here's hoping the invitation from OO extends to the FA's also.

I am interested to see what UA will bring to the table for Compass. Again only rumours but I have heard it will be announced within the next 10 days and end up being about the same size as the Delta loss (approx. 20-25 175's)

I'm curious as well, but let's not pretend 20-25 aircraft is the same as 36 DL aircraft. 11-16 airframes lost would still represent a painful loss to the pilot group (though of course be lightyears better than losing all 36).

I’ve listened to the Mesa Investor call and they mention that United has told them they will be renewing the E175 contract. But they still have no discussion on there CRJ700’s. Now UA telling and doing is a different thing. But maybe this cargo experiment has made UA mad along with there 95% completion factor..

I think it’s more towards the 25 number.

That is true. I don't mean to make light of any loss of airframes. Just have heard its quite a substantial number coming on to replace them and enough flying to avoid any furloughs. Again, 25 or so is the number. CP are offering a good deal to United and United don't want to give all the cards to one operator, so CP will be the new UA guys.

The UA travel benefits aren't too bad either.

All the cards to one operator? United already has 8 contract partners. I don’t think that is an issue at United.

United operates with 8 regionals as is. Highly unlikely they’ll be adding yet another one. My bet is the “positive” in the memo is all BS to avoid panic amongst the group.

Correct. What I mean is they don't want to give all future flying to the part owned Expressjet or any other partner. As per always, keep it split up with a cheap contractor to keep the others in check. As always this forum works on 99% rumour so we will all see in a couple weeks time.

Anyway hoping for the best for you guys.

What is to panic? I was looking fir a job when I found this one and I’ve got a type rating and 900 hrs of 121 time I didn't have then. And I certainly won’t be the first FO to NOT upgrade at 17 months.

Of course the thing to do now is put apps out to everybody and see what the options are. But I was planning on starting that at 1000 hours anyway.

They've lied before, what makes you think they won't lie again? This time the motive for lying is very clear; keep stringing the employees along until you can fufill your contractual obligations to Delta. By the time they admit that there are not any more planes coming they will just about have the Delta flying wrapped up.

Then during the time they're keeping the Delta flying staffed until it's done, they will be negotiating with AA to spin down that part since it won't be sustainable to run a fleet of 20 airplanes. Then Delta flying ends and you get punched in the gut again with the announcement of AA flying going away.

This of course is all my opinion with no insider knowledge, but I called the Delta flying being taken from GoJet and Compass as soon as Delta absorbed the ASA flying. I knew the days were numbers after what they did to ASA.

Good luck guys. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think I will be.

If that was true management wouldn’t have told us to sit tight for “new opportunities” for a few weeks when the draw down starts in a couple months. If it’s crickets in a few weeks from and more stringing along then I agree with your statement.

How about this for a new rumor, reading over in the cargo section of the forums Southern Air is having a hard time staffing their 737 flying for amazon. rumor is Mesa might try picking some of it up, but what if Compass tossed their hat in the ring and we all got 73 types.

On the employee call they made it pretty clear to expect to hear the news within about 2-3 weeks at most

define Opportunity.
Management doesn’t discuss possibilities with frontline employees.