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Old 08-11-2008, 12:26 PM
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Ok, yes I did hit the search button and there's a lot of information around this forum, but a lot of that information contradicts each other and I ended more confused that when I started. Also I keep hearing that Compass is going to get the hose when DL/NW furloughs, I thought that was virtually impossible because the way it works but at this point I'm very confused and I think a lot of people are too. Can a Compass driver with the contract in his/her hand explain me with details how the flow throug/flow back works and risk/advantages associated with it?
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Old 08-11-2008, 12:41 PM
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Compass pilots are eligible to flow through to Delta after 30 months of employment AND are a captain.

Delta pilots are eligible to flow back at the rate of 20/month (training limit) and can flush all but the top 10% of pilots at Compass.

There are others here that can explain the LOA between Delta and its pilots, but for the near term, furloughs are not expected. It is IF they furlough, not WHEN.
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Old 08-11-2008, 12:58 PM
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Compass pilots are eligible to flow through to Delta after 30 months of employment AND are a captain.

Delta pilots are eligible to flow back at the rate of 20/month (training limit) and can flush all but the top 10% of pilots at Compass.

There are others here that can explain the LOA between Delta and its pilots, but for the near term, furloughs are not expected. It is IF they furlough, not WHEN.
So this flowbacks would displace the captains and have more seniority than any compass guy?
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Old 08-11-2008, 01:05 PM
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So this flowbacks would displace the captains and have more seniority than any compass guy?
Yes, that is true.
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Old 08-11-2008, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DANCRJ View Post
So this flowbacks would displace the captains and have more seniority than any compass guy?
The only way a Compass guy cant be bumped is if that pilot chooses to turn down the flowthrough when the opportunity arises. Since no one has reached that point all can be bumped.
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Old 08-11-2008, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DANCRJ View Post
So this flowbacks would displace the captains and have more seniority than any compass guy?

Yes, unless the compass pilot was eligible for a flow up and turned it down. Otherwise, he/she would be junior to ALL flow backs.
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Old 08-11-2008, 01:22 PM
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Flow down "probably" wont happen. It would cost NWA more money to do so. Here is why.. A first year NWA FO makes $30 per hour on all equipment. If the company furloughs then that same pilot flows down to Compass and now makes $62 per hour, more than double what he/she would have been making at NWA/DAL. It wouldnt benifit the company to do that...That would make some pilots happy and as we all know, airline managment isnt happy until we are unhappy...

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Old 08-11-2008, 02:34 PM
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I understand Mesaba now has a flow thru/back agreement as well. Can anyone verify this?
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I understand Mesaba now has a flow thru/back agreement as well. Can anyone verify this?
Mesaba getting flow-through is news to me. Just because a regional is a wholly owned, doesn't mean there is flow-through. I may be wrong, but I thought that the only ones with flow-through is Compass. They've been dangling it infront of PDT pilots forever, but they only recieved preferential hiring.
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Where have you been? XJ indeed has flowthru - in fact about 12 have already flowed. We were sending 3/month until Sept. and then 9/mo. Unfortunately when NWA stopped their hiring, the flow stopped. It took affect in Jan of '08 and has different terms than those of the CP flow. Less can flow up but the flow up numbers are far more realistic for an airline to handle and the flowbacks wouldn't be nearly as devastating.
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