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560XL 06-19-2015 04:16 PM

Does anybody know if you can use 121 sim time from training toward your required 1,000 121 minimum to act as PIC? The reg seems somewhat vague on that. Trying not to make assumptions, but if you can use up to 100 hours of simulator time towards the 1500 rule, maybe it would then also count towards the minimums to be a captain? Thanks.

404yxl 06-19-2015 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by 560XL (Post 1910187)
Does anybody know if you can use 121 sim time from training toward your required 1,000 121 minimum to act as PIC? The reg seems somewhat vague on that. Trying not to make assumptions, but if you can use up to 100 hours of simulator time towards the 1500 rule, maybe it would then also count towards the minimums to be a captain? Thanks.

I would guess not, but I have to ask why the rush? You will be fairly new to the 121 world and more and more of your FO's will be low time 121 pilots. Add on top of that the new operation out west with AA.

If you're pretty young, you're in a good situation to sit back and enjoy upgrading when you think you're ready and have a bunch of pilots below you. That's not to say you shouldn't go for it, but just be ready for the times the FO won't catch you making a mistake.

Temocil27 06-20-2015 08:52 AM

Congrats to the new FOs on the quick upgrade. But, remember you need to know CPZ policies, procedures, and limitations cold. I've been flying with FOs who are good enough pilots but just don't know the FOM/AOM well enough. It's exciting to be able to hold captain, I know. But, consider flying the line a bit longer than you technically have to in order to become comfortable with this airline first.

tunes 06-20-2015 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 1910717)
Congrats to the new FOs on the quick upgrade. But, remember you need to know CPZ policies, procedures, and limitations cold. I've been flying with FOs who are good enough pilots but just don't know the FOM/AOM well enough. It's exciting to be able to hold captain, I know. But, consider flying the line a bit longer than you technically have to in order to become comfortable with this airline first.

cool story bro

paxhauler85 06-20-2015 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 1910742)
cool story bro

Guess you're one of the guys he's talking about. Sad part is, most of them don't know it. Only flew with a couple who have the time, but chose to bypass for a couple of extra months since this was going to be their first 121 PIC gig. It's not rocket science, but it is big step up for a lot of people.

Good luck. Congrats on the upgrade.

tunes 06-20-2015 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1910750)
Guess you're one of the guys he's talking about. Sad part is, most of them don't know it. Only flew with a couple who have the time, but chose to bypass for a couple of extra months since this was going to be their first 121 PIC gig. It's not rocket science, but it is big step up for a lot of people.

Good luck. Congrats on the upgrade.

swing and a miss, thanks though

AluminumFoil 06-20-2015 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by paxhauler85 (Post 1910750)
Guess you're one of the guys he's talking about. Sad part is, most of them don't know it. Only flew with a couple who have the time, but chose to bypass for a couple of extra months since this was going to be their first 121 PIC gig. It's not rocket science, but it is big step up for a lot of people.

Good luck. Congrats on the upgrade.

Ya he must he one of them.

Hey Tunes how much heavy MIL PIC do you have again? ;)

asupilot 06-20-2015 01:44 PM


Originally Posted by AluminumFoil (Post 1910825)
Ya he must he one of them.

Hey Tunes how much heavy MIL PIC do you have again? ;)

I have a lot of mil PIC and have no intention of upgrading. I'll be the old guy in the right seat happy to say, "Gear up...yes sir." I'll still by the coffee and beer.

pilotwithnoname 06-20-2015 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by AluminumFoil (Post 1910825)
Ya he must he one of them.

Hey Tunes how much heavy MIL PIC do you have again? ;)

What is the mil time in? Pic in an F16 doesn't really equate to being great in a crew environment.

Just read "Heavy". Got it.
Not sure why he had to put in his .02 about the good advice above though...

GreatBigSea 06-20-2015 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by Temocil27 (Post 1910717)
Congrats to the new FOs on the quick upgrade. But, remember you need to know CPZ policies, procedures, and limitations cold. I've been flying with FOs who are good enough pilots but just don't know the FOM/AOM well enough. It's exciting to be able to hold captain, I know. But, consider flying the line a bit longer than you technically have to in order to become comfortable with this airline first.

I certainly hope you made your concerns known to the FOs you're talking about. If you don't think they should upgrade, tell them.


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