Compass Updates - Saga Continues
04-18-2016, 03:35 AM
#501
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Originally Posted by TillerEnvy
Upgrade is 2500 total time and 1000 121 time.
The reg (121.436 (a) 3) says the 1000 hrs can be any combination of following:
121 sic time
91k (net jets etc...) multi turbine pic
135 turbojet pic, or 10+ pax seat pic, or commuter multi pic
04-18-2016, 05:21 AM
#502
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Originally Posted by AlaskaBound
The first Paris class is there now. Sims started the first week of April at Le Bourget airport Flight Safety facility. Classes will be there through April and June. Maybe July. American Airlines is positive spacing the crews and instructors. A lot of people are dropping the positives space flights on the way back and non-reving back on Delta. American 767s suck compared to Delta A330s. Chances are pretty good at getting business class on Delta. American won't upgrade you unless you are a professional brown-noser and can sweet talk the gate agents.
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04-18-2016, 05:25 AM
#503
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Originally Posted by KNOT on CALL
Compass mins are actually 2500 total and 1000 MULTI time (or 2000 TT w/ 1500 multi) per the contract. I can't find anywhere that compass specifically requires solely 121 sic time to satiate the FAR 121 upgrade mins. Except for in flica when the system asks you input your "121 sic time" each vacancy bid when trying for captain. I doubt that's the case, rather I think it's crew planning's shorthand method of asking if you're legit before trying to go for upgrade.
The reg (121.436 (a) 3) says the 1000 hrs can be any combination of following:
121 sic time
91k (net jets etc...) multi turbine pic
135 turbojet pic, or 10+ pax seat pic, or commuter multi pic
The reg (121.436 (a) 3) says the 1000 hrs can be any combination of following:
121 sic time
91k (net jets etc...) multi turbine pic
135 turbojet pic, or 10+ pax seat pic, or commuter multi pic
04-18-2016, 01:26 PM
#504
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Guys, please take the time to hit up the ALPA call for action sos.alpa.org to #denynai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCjHS0KQdc
This video explains why..
Pretty important if we want to have any jobs we can actually move on to... It will take no more than 2 mins of your time once you log in to the ALPA site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCjHS0KQdc
This video explains why..
Pretty important if we want to have any jobs we can actually move on to... It will take no more than 2 mins of your time once you log in to the ALPA site.
04-18-2016, 01:57 PM
#505
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Originally Posted by Da40Pilot
You need a combination of 1000 multi 121 or 135 turbine time in order to satisfy the requirements of becoming PIC in a 121 operation, plus being at least 23 years of age. I don't think that's a Compass rule, it's a FAA rule. I've heard of some MIL guys being able to use up to 500 multi if they flew C130s and the likes.....but I'm not sure flying Part 91 is included (and that could be a Compass rule) - but from what I heard, they don't accept Part 91, unless I'm about to learn something new...
I re-read my post and realized I might not have been as clear as I'd hoped... Sorry about that. There's two things in governance going on simultaneously here... Read below for an explanation on the 91 stuff. Words like Charter, Corporate, and Fractional can often be inappropriately synonymized. They are in fact very different animals. Respectively they are regulated under parts 135, 91, and 91 Subpart K. While any [non subpart k] Part 91 flying does not count, 91 Subpart K flying can be used.
1st is Compass's upgrade policy per the CBA (Found in section 24.J.1)
The minimum requirements for a First Officer upgrade to
Captain are:
2nd is the FAR requirements for acting as PIC under part 121. FAR§121.436(a)(3)Captain are:
a. airline transport pilot certificate or the ability to hold
an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate
type rating. Training for the type rating will be
provided by Compass Airlines;
an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate
type rating. Training for the type rating will be
provided by Compass Airlines;
b. ATP written;
c. two thousand five hundred (2,500) hours total pilot
time, including one thousand (1,000) hours multiengine;
or
time, including one thousand (1,000) hours multiengine;
or
d. two thousand (2,000) hours total pilot time, including
one thousand five hundred (1,500) hours multiengine;
one thousand five hundred (1,500) hours multiengine;
e. a current First Class medical certificate
§121.436 Pilot Qualification: Certificates and experience requirements.
(a) No certificate holder may use nor may any pilot act as pilot in command of an aircraft (or as second in command of an aircraft in a flag or supplemental operation that requires three or more pilots) unless the pilot:
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.
(1) Holds an airline transport pilot certificate not subject to the limitations in §61.167 of this chapter;
(2) Holds an appropriate aircraft type rating for the aircraft being flown; and
(3) If serving as pilot in command in part 121 operations, has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof. For those pilots who are employed as pilot in command in part 121 operations on July 31, 2013, compliance with the requirements of this paragraph (a)(3) is not required.
§91.1053(a)(2)(i), if you look it up, is under subpart K which deals with fractional ownership operations. This is a special part of Part 91 and only applies to operations such as NetJets, FlexJet, etc.
It translates into: "Part 91(k) Multi engine Turbine PIC"
§135.243(a)(1) translates into any of these 3 options:
1: "Part 135 Turbojet PIC"
2: "Part 135 10+ Pax seat aircraft PIC"
3: "Part 135 Commuter (as sub defined in part 119) PIC"
As for your mil time: §121.436(c) is how you can apply up to 500hrs:For the purpose of satisfying the flight hour requirement in paragraph (a)(3) of this section, a pilot may credit 500 hours of military flight time obtained as pilot in command of a multiengine turbine-powered, fixed-wing airplane in an operation requiring more than one pilot.
So in summary, to meet the hourly requirements to upgrade at Compass, you have to have:
2,500 Total Time with 1,000 Multi Engine Time -or- 2,000 Total Time with 1,500 Multi Engine Time
1,000 hours total from any of the following sources:
Part 121 SIC
Part 135 Turbojet PIC, 10+ Pax a/c PIC, Commuter PIC
Part 91 {Subpart K} Multi Turbine PIC
Military Fixed Wing, Multi-Engine, Multi-Crew, Turbine PIC/AC (Max of 500 hrs can be used)
Part 135 Turbojet PIC, 10+ Pax a/c PIC, Commuter PIC
Part 91 {Subpart K} Multi Turbine PIC
Military Fixed Wing, Multi-Engine, Multi-Crew, Turbine PIC/AC (Max of 500 hrs can be used)
Last edited by KNOT on CALL; 04-18-2016 at 02:21 PM.
04-18-2016, 06:55 PM
#506
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Does Compass restrict its pilots from flying for other operations on their days off, part 91, 141 schools etc?
Also...how long are new hires sitting on reserve And if it's domicile specific then how about L.A.? Thank you for any replies. Fly safe all.
Also...how long are new hires sitting on reserve And if it's domicile specific then how about L.A.? Thank you for any replies. Fly safe all.
04-18-2016, 07:05 PM
#507
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Position: Embraer 175 FO
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Originally Posted by Firebird
Does Compass restrict its pilots from flying for other operations on their days off, part 91, 141 schools etc?
Also...how long are new hires sitting on reserve And if it's domicile specific then how about L.A.? Thank you for any replies. Fly safe all.
Also...how long are new hires sitting on reserve And if it's domicile specific then how about L.A.? Thank you for any replies. Fly safe all.
You can fly with approval that's usually not hard to get. Reserve in LAX now has been approximately 2-3 months for the more recent classes that finished IOE.
04-18-2016, 07:58 PM
#508
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 737 FO
Posts: 880
Originally Posted by phalanxo
Guys, please take the time to hit up the ALPA call for action sos.alpa.org to #denynai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCjHS0KQdc
This video explains why..
Pretty important if we want to have any jobs we can actually move on to... It will take no more than 2 mins of your time once you log in to the ALPA site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJCjHS0KQdc
This video explains why..
Pretty important if we want to have any jobs we can actually move on to... It will take no more than 2 mins of your time once you log in to the ALPA site.
04-18-2016, 08:04 PM
#509
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 111
Hey fellas how would the commute be from IAH? I see that you have three direct flights daily from LAX. I've read about the compass jumpseat policy and it seems to be highly regarded with the extra flight attendant jumpseats and the ability to schedule the JS in advance. Any input for a potential new guy would be appreciated.
04-18-2016, 08:13 PM
#510
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Position: 737 FO
Posts: 880
Originally Posted by Sambeaux
Hey fellas how would the commute be from IAH? I see that you have three direct flights daily from LAX. I've read about the compass jumpseat policy and it seems to be highly regarded with the extra flight attendant jumpseats and the ability to schedule the JS in advance. Any input for a potential new guy would be appreciated.
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