First off do some education on how many actual planes delta took back. Second off, if we are not breaching our contracts then DL and AA can't just take "their" planes back. That would be a breach of contract on their part and would open them up to a lawsuit.


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Stooooopppp

 

Those 6 170s had absolutely nothing to do with our performance,I can guarantee that. It was a business decision made internally to return the planes to DL. As for AA taking our flying back,not happening,we are exceeding the performance metrics set by AA so there would be no legal way they'd take the flying back.


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Hang on, how was it a good business decision to move the 170s?

 

They wanted those planes on the east coast but weren't willing to help facilitate a base out there for us. It wasn't feasible to DH crews across 3 time zones just for 6 planes


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But why not use CRJ700s? I don't buy the E170 is better suited to the east coast. A 70 jet is a 70 jet. Sure they don't pink tag on a 170, but 6 aircraft are magically going to make the difference? Why not fly a 175 with 6 extra seats (3 which can be first class tickets) , if the pink tag is so offensive.

The argument that the 170s were better for certain east coast destinations is pretty hokey to me. Especially since XJT has been operating (34) CRJ700s for Delta mostly out east. Hell, SkyWest seems to make the CRJ700 fly out west for Delta.

 

Troll somewhere else...9E has no Embraer program...they started it in April last year and it lasted all but 6 weeks, they had a few management people scheduled to go to class and pulled them a few weeks before training...my buddy was one of them...not a peep of Embraer stuff since then at 9E

Not sure where you're getting your facts from there bub...but that koolaid must taste mighty good

 

It goes directly to why MSP was closed too and the SDF is being moved... it doesn't work for west coast airline. That's why mx is being moved out west too, we were all over the place and it made things a nightmare. If all of our departures are now out of LAX and SEA it's a lot easier to be more efficient and when something breaks it's less of a disaster. Yeah it friggin sucked losing 6 planes but just wait til the MX is out west and this airline will run 100% better.

 

Everyone can agree on losing the planes sucking. I agree that moving to a west coast operation ditching MSP and SDF makes sense. But where I disagree is that an airline running an average load factor of about 77% (August MTD) has a problem with using a 70 seat jet.

So if the average load factor for August is 77% that means running an all 76 seat jet airline, on average 59 of those are occupied.

If we had a 70 seat jet (the E170) that's an 11 seat margin on average. So yes you'll have days where it would be 70 people and a jumpseater, but you'd also have days where it's 50 or less. It would actually increase load factor for Compass to run 170s.

Downgrading from a 175 to a 170 is only a problem if it's on a route that requires more than 70 seats. But in my opinion if they had come out west to a SJC and PHX maintenance base, the likelihood of swapping into one unscheduled would be much lower.

 

Anyone that's taken an intro to statistics class will tell you business decisions aren't made based on averages. The fact that those 6 aircraft are currently operating on the east coast tells you everything you need to know about Delta's plan for those jets.