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Old 11-02-2017 | 08:53 AM
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The initial question was a good one. We get a “rah rah cheerleading squad” EVERY phone call, but month after month there is no change or tools given to us to do our jobs successfully. When is enough enough?

Thank you to those who were pressing him as well. Two sides to every story on grievances? Once a contract is signed it’s a legally binding document! What other side to the story is that?!
Old 11-02-2017 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Av8rPHX
WingedCelt works here and is a stand up guy.


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And he is involved in the union

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Old 11-02-2017 | 08:58 AM
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I have great faith in “all our airplanes are staying on property and if they weren’t, we’d be the first to know”. Just like what happened with the E170s... We can’t support a base in LGA with 6 airplanes, but let’s open one in PHX with 3.
Old 11-02-2017 | 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by aviator2491
Pretty worthless call overall. More passing the buck, "we're working on lots of things", and continuation of the disconnect between management and reality.
This company is a GD Joke.
Old 11-02-2017 | 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
I have great faith in “all our airplanes are staying on property and if they weren’t, we’d be the first to know”. Just like what happened with the E170s... We can’t support a base in LGA with 6 airplanes, but let’s open one in PHX with 3.
This! It took me until the PHX base opening to realize the irony that BG used the we can't support such a small base excuse for losing aircraft, but is super happy about opening an arbitrary base that won't even have any airplanes truly "based" there. They truly do lie through their teeth just to keep us calm while they squeeze all the cash they can for Hulas.
Old 11-02-2017 | 09:26 AM
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I don't know the context, but it may trip you out that OO INC has two major airlines.

Merger? While in 2018 Oo is having a CPZ-size fleet expansion, it will be done with factory new plans instead of M&A.

Congrats on the 10 new American 175s, going to Phoenix or LAX?
Old 11-02-2017 | 09:27 AM
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The 10 AA 175s are going to Envoy. Supposedly all of the options AA has on them are slated for Envoy


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Old 11-02-2017 | 09:30 AM
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No one in the room or on the call from scheduling? SHOCKING!!! Why bother being held accountable for crapping all over the contract. No reserve grid? Errrrr, "I wasn't aware." Fluctuating reserve buffers as we see fit and not telling anyone. Meh, you don't need to know. Sigh......
Old 11-02-2017 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Av8rPHX
Hahahahahahhaa. "Is Skywest buying us?"


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Apparently this was leaked by one of your former CP's... From what was being passed around, it would come with you all getting some of our new DL orders... not the first time Ive heard it in recent weeks
Old 11-02-2017 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by poorflyer
This! It took me until the PHX base opening to realize the irony that BG used the we can't support such a small base excuse for losing aircraft, but is super happy about opening an arbitrary base that won't even have any airplanes truly "based" there. They truly do lie through their teeth just to keep us calm while they squeeze all the cash they can for Hulas.
I think it’s even scarier then what you state here. Just running some rough numbers here.
Delta firing on all cylinders does about a 13 percent net income margin (AA and UA) even worse.
Given deltas margin at the time of sale to compass where around 7 percent my guess is the max they would have allowed CP of all metrics are met are Cost(at the time plus) 4 percent. Pilot costs alone do to recruiting and pay have gone up substantially higher then 4 percent in that time. In addition MX costs have risen given the age of the fleet.

Result = TSH or CP may no longer in the current environment be profitable. They may want to deliver on all promises or fix the issues in the grievance but the capital may not even be there. Given the private nature of the business there is no real financial transparency but I suspect the balance sheet is no longer viable or sustainable.

I don’t think a CP lifer is even a possibility
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