Compass Updates - Saga Continues
11-01-2017 | 09:31 AM
#8881
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Yes but the union gave no notice for anyone to do any campaigning to try and prove why they should be the leaders. So basically those who won, won because their friends voted, or recognized a name. I saw one letter from one person who was running and didn’t agree with half of what was said or what they thought the priorities should be.
I tired to think of why I didn’t vote and frankly there is no good reason so truly shame on me.
I will qualify however I have been a dues paying ALPA member for the better part of 7 years in this sector of the industry and I have yet to realize any return on my “modest” 2 percent investment. It to be honest has just been another bi weekly tax I pay for the privelage of working.
If voter turn out is any indication of union support and apathy I would be very worried if I was a union boss as to the move to a National right to Work law.
I guess I just dont believe anymore that employees can tell there employer how it’s going to be anymore then the electorate has been successful at telling Washington how it’s going to be.
No excuses here I’m definitely part of the problem but just the way I see it when I thought about it this morning.
11-01-2017 | 11:28 AM
#8882
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As much as I want to agree with you I can’t. That simply won’t happen here before we just don’t have lifers. Based off you name I can tell you an ex Mesa guy as am I. Remember the emails we would get from our union there just speaking to honest truth about how bad Mesa was? Well that will never happen here because everyone is afraid to step on everyone’s toes or ripple the water. I’m all for rippling water ways and speaking my mind but United we stand as a union at compass just ain’t gonna happen
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1. Complain here or elsewhere.
2. Look for a new job.
3. Volunteer for the union to help improve things.
When the goal of 99% of the pilot group is to move on to something else, they are going to focus on that. Instead of spending their energy to improve conditions here, they rationalize the current situation as "it's a regional, it's supposed to suck, I'll deal with it for a couple of years". Then a couple of years pass, they're still here, and it sucks worse. Yes, it is wrong, but I'm just pointing out the mindset of our group.
I think there's also a few other intangible factors:
Fear of rocking the boat and risking screwing up their employment record. The company feeds this fear with a generous application of Section 19s. They know we are good at spreading rumors, and this helps spread fear and encourages compliance and inaction. All they need is inaction.
Younger pilot group who were not educated on the importance of a union while growing up or during their initial new hire union orientation. I can't speak for every new hire class, but mine was basically "hey let's have some free pizza".
The union has very little presence outside of its email communications. Most of the pilot group is on the west coast, yet most of the meetings are still in MSP. I've never seen an open union presence in the crew rooms.
Perception that the current union is just a rubber stamp for the company on many things, which leads to the feeling of "what's the point". I know this is not always the case, and I know our union officers work hard, but this is the public perception of much of the pilot group.
I'm sure there are others. I'm glad we're having this discussion, I think it will help, and I hope the union folks are reading some of this.
11-01-2017 | 12:32 PM
#8883
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This is what I was trying to get at. When your job sucks, you have three general options, in order of effort needed:
1. Complain here or elsewhere.
2. Look for a new job.
3. Volunteer for the union to help improve things.
When the goal of 99% of the pilot group is to move on to something else, they are going to focus on that. Instead of spending their energy to improve conditions here, they rationalize the current situation as "it's a regional, it's supposed to suck, I'll deal with it for a couple of years". Then a couple of years pass, they're still here, and it sucks worse. Yes, it is wrong, but I'm just pointing out the mindset of our group.
I think there's also a few other intangible factors:
Fear of rocking the boat and risking screwing up their employment record. The company feeds this fear with a generous application of Section 19s. They know we are good at spreading rumors, and this helps spread fear and encourages compliance and inaction. All they need is inaction.
Younger pilot group who were not educated on the importance of a union while growing up or during their initial new hire union orientation. I can't speak for every new hire class, but mine was basically "hey let's have some free pizza".
The union has very little presence outside of its email communications. Most of the pilot group is on the west coast, yet most of the meetings are still in MSP. I've never seen an open union presence in the crew rooms.
Perception that the current union is just a rubber stamp for the company on many things, which leads to the feeling of "what's the point". I know this is not always the case, and I know our union officers work hard, but this is the public perception of much of the pilot group.
I'm sure there are others. I'm glad we're having this discussion, I think it will help, and I hope the union folks are reading some of this.
1. Complain here or elsewhere.
2. Look for a new job.
3. Volunteer for the union to help improve things.
When the goal of 99% of the pilot group is to move on to something else, they are going to focus on that. Instead of spending their energy to improve conditions here, they rationalize the current situation as "it's a regional, it's supposed to suck, I'll deal with it for a couple of years". Then a couple of years pass, they're still here, and it sucks worse. Yes, it is wrong, but I'm just pointing out the mindset of our group.
I think there's also a few other intangible factors:
Fear of rocking the boat and risking screwing up their employment record. The company feeds this fear with a generous application of Section 19s. They know we are good at spreading rumors, and this helps spread fear and encourages compliance and inaction. All they need is inaction.
Younger pilot group who were not educated on the importance of a union while growing up or during their initial new hire union orientation. I can't speak for every new hire class, but mine was basically "hey let's have some free pizza".
The union has very little presence outside of its email communications. Most of the pilot group is on the west coast, yet most of the meetings are still in MSP. I've never seen an open union presence in the crew rooms.
Perception that the current union is just a rubber stamp for the company on many things, which leads to the feeling of "what's the point". I know this is not always the case, and I know our union officers work hard, but this is the public perception of much of the pilot group.
I'm sure there are others. I'm glad we're having this discussion, I think it will help, and I hope the union folks are reading some of this.
11-01-2017 | 01:48 PM
#8884
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Delta released January 2018 preliminary monthly departures. Looks like Seattle growth might have been temporary.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
11-01-2017 | 01:51 PM
#8885
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Delta released January 2018 preliminary monthly departures. Looks like Seattle growth might have been temporary.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
11-01-2017 | 02:00 PM
#8886
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Delta released January 2018 preliminary monthly departures. Looks like Seattle growth might have been temporary.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
Guess I'll just stay on reserve in Seattle until the end of time...
11-01-2017 | 02:03 PM
#8887
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Delta released January 2018 preliminary monthly departures. Looks like Seattle growth might have been temporary.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
JAN DEP
LAX - 958
PHX - 274
SEA - 695 (was almost 1300 in DEC)
MSP - 174 (0 for December)
DTW - 59 (0 for December)
Looks like we start doing Denver in December again and continues in January. Shows us going to Newark in January as well prolly from DTW.
Total Monthly Departures DEC - 5364
Total Monthly Departures JAN - 4373
Normal slowdown I guess after the holidays but it is usually above 5000.
Where do you find this? Is that for CP or all DL?
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11-01-2017 | 02:08 PM
#8888
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Joined: Apr 2017
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The prelim ones change a lot, I wouldn't put much stock into it. It's on Deltanet under network planning.
11-01-2017 | 02:20 PM
#8890
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From: E175 FO
Crew room presence or not, I implore you to learn your seniority block, who your rep is, and get in contact with them. I’d also encourage you to contact your P2P guys. I see them all the time, and if you’re wondering they have a red badge with the words Pilot 2 Pilot underneath or something similar. Great way to communicate, learn about comings and goings, etc.
I will also say this, I know for a fact they browse and read the forums quite a bit. My end game with all of this; we need to start standing together. Volunteer, communicate, etc. Action time is now. We need to start uniting. I’ve said my piece and I’ll leave it at that.
I will also say this, I know for a fact they browse and read the forums quite a bit. My end game with all of this; we need to start standing together. Volunteer, communicate, etc. Action time is now. We need to start uniting. I’ve said my piece and I’ll leave it at that.
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