navigatro

Seriously??? And you are the D.O.????

Cost should not be a consideration.

wjl408

Cost is always a consideration when running a business, in hindsight I probably didn't need the Type IV. Thanks anyway fort your unwanted opinion.

Tippy

I completely agree cost is alwyas a consideration, however you said the snow was "subsiding" closer to your departure time. If there is any precip still falling type IV is still a must because type I provides little to no holdover. There are times that cost needs to go out the window. IMHO the boss can afford the Lear, he can afford the glycol. But i understand your instinct to want to save cost, really i do!

HwkrPlt

I'm amazed that someone can be a D.O. and Lear 60 PIC and never deiced before. I guess that is the pilot shortage for ya.

wjl408

All I was asking for wa the approximate cost as I have never de-iced before, I fully agree safety comes first. We obviously had the option to depart later or the next day for that matter. I've been flying for over 40 years and yes never de-iced before as all of my flying has been in the south and Caribbean. After reading some of the post apearently the cost was reasonable. Also some of the respondents feel they are Gods gift to aviation and feel compelled to insert their unwanted opinions without even knowing all the facts. Thank you for your reply.

Powderkeg

You didn’t ask for opinions but you did start the thread. Don’t take offense, take it as a life lesson with very little tact involved. You said yourself you have never had experience deicing, now you know if it’s snowing you absolutely must de-ice AND anti-ice. It costs what it costs. Literally the only alternative is cancelling the trip. Fly safe.

Flyhayes

If you're not familiar with de-icing anti-icing procedures these are the goto documents that you need.
https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/.../AC_135-17.pdf

and

https://www.faa.gov/other_visit/avia...overTables.pdf

The latter one being updated annually.

The rule of thumb is that type 1 is used to clear the aircraft of buildup while type 4 is used in during active icing. So even during light snowfall you need to use type 4.

From a 121 perspective, even the cheapest regional airline won't bat an eye spending money on full body type 1 & 2.

BoilerUP

FFD airlines typically don't pay the deicing bill, either.

That being said, there are circumstances when you can easily just get sprayed with Type I and depart in light snow within Generic Type I holdover times.

TEB ain't one of those circumstances.

wjl408

Thanks for the reply, I understand the de-icing procedures Type I for de-ice and Type IV for anti-ice and what we did by applying Type I to clean the aircraft and Type IV to depart was exactly what we should have done. We probably didn't need the Type IV as we departed about 5 minutes after the cleaning and the snow had almost subsided. The application of the Type IV was purely better safe than sorry. My question was simply how much should it cost as I was quite surprised with the $7500.00 tab never have experiencing a de-icing before, that's it. What some implied about being the DO or a Lear Pilot and never de-icing before is beyond me, I don't understand what that has to do with anything, I've been flying over 40 years and yes I still learn something almost daily. I guess I can only aspire to know as much as them and be as perfect as them. I truly do appreciate the replies from all that took the time to answer my original question, as for the unwanted opinions from the know it all meatheads, they can take a hike.

Flyhayes

Considering that the generic type 1 tables only allow for 7-22 HOT's (depending on the temperature) for very light snowfall, I'd say that it pretty much precludes use as an anti ice agent.