Advice to an Old Guy
08-16-2021, 10:23 AM
#31
Pilot
Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Large cabin Bizjet
Posts: 448
Originally Posted by TiredSoul
Thats complete BS.
You apply for a job that pays what you want/need which is commensurate with your overall experience, type ratings and specific experience relevant to the job.
You don’t sit down on the interview and say you’ll work for less then advertised.
Fun jobs that can’t pay enough to attract the entitled masses rely on time-builders and retired pilots.
Traffic watch, sight seeing and puddle jumping.
None of those threaten the food on the table of your precious young ‘uns.
This is not coal mining.
You apply for a job that pays what you want/need which is commensurate with your overall experience, type ratings and specific experience relevant to the job.
You don’t sit down on the interview and say you’ll work for less then advertised.
Fun jobs that can’t pay enough to attract the entitled masses rely on time-builders and retired pilots.
Traffic watch, sight seeing and puddle jumping.
None of those threaten the food on the table of your precious young ‘uns.
This is not coal mining.
08-17-2021, 12:30 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,504
Originally Posted by HwkrPlt
Wanna make a bet? How about the retired airline guy that says he'll pay for his own gulfstream type if he gets hired?
08-17-2021, 10:07 AM
#33
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,504
In Addition: Contract wise we all push forward wherever we are to get better pay, benefits, etc. to “feed our families” and yours and those following our footsteps.. This was accomplished by all your predecessors and now us for our benefit and for future generations. But the bottom line is none of your experience commands a price individually, we all do it collectively wherever we are - otherwise go be a Doctor or a lawyer, etc and command your own price. We act like independent contractors, but we’re really not…well, some of you are.
Last edited by C17B74; 08-17-2021 at 10:32 AM.
08-17-2021, 12:03 PM
#34
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 324
Originally Posted by Triggs
exactly my point. I've lost a job because a retiree "wanted to live where the plane was" and was willing to do it for less. You want to pick up a retirement job,,, don't undercut those that are doing it for a living. If you don't need the money and are doing it for fun,,, take up golf
Originally Posted by BobSacamano
If you need the money and aren’t doing it for fun, take up accounting, engineering, IT, or literally any job that old rich guys won’t do for less than you because it’s fun.
It’s nobody’s fault but your own that you chose to make a living doing something that lots of people would do for less, or for free, or would even pay to do.
It’s nobody’s fault but your own that you chose to make a living doing something that lots of people would do for less, or for free, or would even pay to do.
08-18-2021, 01:16 PM
#35
Prime Minister/Moderator
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,289
Originally Posted by aeroengineer
If you get right down to it ANY job a retiree takes is undercutting someone else. Where do you draw the line? Who gets to decide which jobs are ok to do for fun?
As was already pointed out, it's kind of the nature of the industry. It's also the other side of the time-builder coin where most of us (civilians) have flown for fast-food wages, some for food, a few for nothing... or even PFT.
For the most part the only people who have always earned a good wage to fly are mil-to-major pilots.
Don't like like it? Get a major airline job where nobody can come in and undercut you.
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