Outof410

Wondering what everyone knows? I heard a few months ago PSA had some huge fail numbers, now I heard Air Wisky had a less then 50% pass rate.

Who has the a good pass rate and a good training department? On the other side who else has the high fail out numbers?

I can't see how this helps the "pilot Shortage".

daOldMan

People have said that on here about all of the regionals.

The truth is that the high fail rates are more fiction than anything. Pilots need other new pilots to join their airline in order to fill seats for growth and attrition. One way on ensuring this is to talk badly about the other airlines. The fact is that they are all about the same. Some pay a little more money, but have a much crappier quality of life. Others pay a couple of dollars less, but the quality of life is much better. In the end, none of they are great.

The trick is to find one that offers you what you are looking for. Live in base, don't commute, and go somewhere with flexibility and growth.

akulahunter

All I can speak for is my own class... 14 started and we picked up a guy coming off of mil leave in systems class. Of those 15, 12 are through training successfully. One went to a cargo outfit prior to sims and two didn't make it through training.

So... Looks like 85.7% (12 of 14 who attempted sims) of my class made it. Some needed extra training, but the company did its part in helping people who were putting forth effort...

Pretty sure the abysmal numbers are for guys making it through without needing any extra training along the way.

Poser765

I've been in two shops and two initial training programs. The first one had something like 30 people and only 1 washed out. The second carrier had 15 and, again, we lost only one.

swoosh

Xjt has a great training department. My new hire class of 17 two years ago, everyone made it through.

prex8390

No one failed any check rides in my class at whisky. Only one needed extra training out of a class of 9, 3 quit though

tennisguru

No regional today intentionally forces a high washout rate among their new hires. Every now and then a class will randomly be made up of a group of losers, but that's a statistical anomaly. The problem is that one class's washout rate magically becomes the washout rate for the whole airline. Today it's a buyers market, so the mere fact that you chose to go to XYZ regional means they are going to do everything they can do to keep you. Rather than wash out a high percentage of candidates, I'd say the opposite is more of a concern - pushing people through who might not cut it otherwise.

Basically, to survive airline training, study hard (i.e. don't go out drinking every night), show up with a willingness to learn, and have a good attitude. They're going to spoon-feed you basically everything you'll need to know. As long as you are showing progress and have a good attitude they'll give you some extra training if you need it.

If you do wash out, it's mainly for two reasons. One is attitude. Even if you might make it through with some extra training, they'll be much less likely to give it to you if you've been a douche the whole time. The second is simply poor flying/multitasking/decision making skills, and that reflects on a lack of experience.

If you're head is screwed on straight, you're a nice guy/gal, and you're a halfway decent stick, you'll have no problems passing any airline's training program.

NovemberBravo

At MESA early 2014 out of 22 one guy failed his checkride and passed on the second try. And I think 2 needed extra Sim before the checkride but passes first time. No one failed the oral or IOE.

Slick111

My class had 25 newhires. Two quit during indoc because better job offers came through. Three failed training: 1 high-ranking Air Force pilot, (retired), 1 guy with a lot of international heavy-jet experience (but low on motivation), and 1 CFI. So that's a 14% failure rate, but prior experience was not the leading cause of failure.

Get up, dress up, show up, study hard, be receptive, and be nice. That's the recipe for success at the airlines,........... just like it is for every other professional job.

Packrat

There you have it in a nutshell.