Ahhh, we can but dream, and I sure hope bigiron has a job by now (2 years).

 

Well, corporate pilots are having difficulties handling a jet over 100k MGTOW. Sorry pal, you're just not cut out to fly the heavy iron, hence you're stuck flying toy jets.

Pretty ignorant and arrogant statement, isn't it? But it falls right in line with your statement that airline pilots don't adapt well to corporate side.

My background - cargo 135, commuter 121, major 121, 91/135 King Air 350 job.

I didn't find the transition itself difficult. Basically, it boils down to the interview. Ever thought about sitting down with an airline pilot and truly giving him an airline-like interview? In other words, ask him if he knows what's expected of him. If he doesn't... tell him straight. Tell him he'll be expected to do the job of a dispatcher, flight attendant, caterer, baggage handler, etc. Put it in his terms. If it's his first foray into corporate/charter, throw some situational questions at him. You can learn A LOT about an individual through this. To blindly say that airline pilots make lousy corporate pilots is about as ignorant as my statement above saying that corporate pilots flying toy jets can't handle anything over 100k MGTOW.

What do they think about your layovers? Ya know... if you have any kind of people skills, you can deal with rich bozos. Throw in some training/guidance/coaching, it really isn't rocket science you make it out to be.

Must be nice knowing that you wouldn't get discriminated simply because have no experience in anything bigger than a toy jet.. I'm sorry pal, but I'm used to carrying more fuel than your ****ant little RJ weighs. Oh, don't I sound like a pompous ass....

Funny? I think I'd laugh my ass off to see your boss throw you on the street simply because he's getting a new jet. What would be even funnier is when you came crawling to any other operator, they look at you, have a great laugh at your expense and misfortune, and then throw your resume away.

Don't I sound like a pompous ass? You bet... that's what you're sounding like.

Not gonna defend egos like that, but check your ego buddy. You're no better than those retired captains. In fact, you're WAY worse.
How would you know? You just said that 121 guys' resumes end up in round file.

You need some SERIOUS reality check...

 

If I'm flying with you, I don't care where you came from, I care about your attitude and competency. Good people are good regardless of where they used to work. There are plenty of a*#hole corporate pilots just like there are plenty of a#*hole airline pilots.

 

The last two posts are right on. It doesn't matter where you come from, but it certainly does matter how smart you are, how you use your brains and if you can think on your feet. Flexibility and personality come to mind as challenges for SOME airline guys - the thing that a smart airline pilot can bring to corporate aviation is disciplined flying and good aircraft handling skills. The rest as previously mentioned.. either you've got it, or you don't. Full package or pretender

I went from airline to corporate in 2002. CE-402, BE-1900, EMB-120, MD-80, B-737, B-747-400 and all that. After 121 went limp.. had to start out on the bottom again flying Aero Commanders and King Airs again then small and midsize jets and so on. I busted my butt and within a few years I came to love what corporate has to offer. Even to spite the guys who always sneered at airline guys, not knowing where I came from. Never gloated about my previous experience, but hired plenty of airline guys when I could, and passed on a few that kept the stereotypes alive. But the majority of airline guys can easily make the transition, it's all about motivation and smarts.

Who cares about the size of an airplane. As long as the privates are good enough for the ladys, it shouldn't matter. Trust me, I've flown all sizes and the fun stuff is in the sub 100k range, believe it or not fellas.

 

I have been flying corporate since the late 80's which means I have been through this cycle enough times to know what's coming. A flood of 121 guys willing to due anything for a corp gig while sitting on a furlough # and giving DO's and CP's the idea we will do anything for a job. After we take a QOL a$$ kicking the 121 flood gates open and now we have an empty pilot room and even worse QOL. Those who were in it for Corp all along struggle to regain QOL just in time for the next big Furlough. I showed him respect for the butt whipping he's taken at USair but show Corp some respect as well. I have placed dozens of my 121 friends in corp gigs in the 90's and early 00's and guess where they All are now UPS, NWA, UAL, DAL, CAL, AWA, ect.ect.ect... Guess how many emails I'm getting recently? I will help them again but I know what's coming. I have what I consider the best Corp gig out there and I am a blast on the road but those who ignore the past are destined to repeat it. Corp is a career path, not a safety net or escape path! APC and FI should have an independant forum, 121 to 91, so we can go back to rating FBO hotties in Corp!

I don't care if someone on a computer thinks I'm a tool. If I multiply my overnite's by my bar tab I may mathmaticaly be your father and you would have every right to dislike me.

 

i know this is old but Boeing out of Gary In. is periodically hiring as a few guys are nearing retirement.

 

Here are the ones I know of:

N43PR - Ruffin Companies (aka Phil Ruffin billionaire) - Wichita, KS
N50TC - Tracinda Corporation (aka Kirk Kerkorian billioniaire) - Beverly Hills, CA
N500LS - Limited Brands, Inc. (aka Les Wexner billionaire) - Columbus, OH
N742PB - Chartwell Partners, L.L.C. (aka Jerry Perenchio billionaire) - Los Angeles, CA
N88WR - Wynn Resorts Limited (aka Steve Wynn billionaire) - Las Vegas, NV
N888TY - Ty, Inc. (aka Ty Warner billionaire) - Westmont, IL
N889NC - News Corporation (aka Rupert Murdoch billionaire) - New York, NY
N796BA - Zuffa, L.L.C. (aka Frank Fertitta & Lorenzo Fertitta billionaires) - Las Vegas, NV
N164RJ - Bausch & Lomb Incorporated - Rochester, NY
N7600K - SAS Institute, Inc. - Cary, NC
N8767 - Samsung Electronics America, Inc. - Ridgefield Park, NJ
N720MM - MGM Resorts International - Las Vegas, NV

 

General Electric got rid of theirs, so did NetJets, Raytheon, and TRW. Boeing has 1 or 2 on hand based in Gary, IN besides their (4) Challenger 605's.

 

Well since it has been started up again... you could always try Airliner VIP Charter Aircraft but unfortunately it doesn't list corporate planes, just charter.

I know a few vegas resorts/casinos have BBJ's too.