Lear crash in SC
09-21-2008, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by BigFellor
Might sound ignorant, but if a tire did indeed blow ... why would they not be able to successfully abort the take-off on an 8,600 ft runway? Or with the 1,000 or so feet between the end of the runway and the road?
There is STILL a ways to go before the facts start coming in to determine exactly what contributed to the accident.
09-21-2008, 05:38 PM
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There is a problem with Mu or braking effectiveness when there is no tire on the surface. Think of trying to stop a train quickly. Metal on metal, or in this case metal on concrete is not a good condition to try to stop in.
Keep in mind as stated before that this is a preliminary report, wait until the final report to draw conclusions. Many times the initial ones are only the tip of the iceberg.
Keep in mind as stated before that this is a preliminary report, wait until the final report to draw conclusions. Many times the initial ones are only the tip of the iceberg.
09-22-2008, 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
There is a problem with Mu or braking effectiveness when there is no tire on the surface. Think of trying to stop a train quickly. Metal on metal, or in this case metal on concrete is not a good condition to try to stop in.
Keep in mind as stated before that this is a preliminary report, wait until the final report to draw conclusions. Many times the initial ones are only the tip of the iceberg.
Keep in mind as stated before that this is a preliminary report, wait until the final report to draw conclusions. Many times the initial ones are only the tip of the iceberg.
I get the Mu issue. But if one tire blows, there are x number left, right? I'd have a hard time believing that ALL the tires blew at once. Obviously braking effectiveness would be reduced, but I would still think one should be able to come to a stop. I'm not attempting to draw conclusions, just curious. On a side note, while it would be quite morbid, I think it would also be very interesting to be an accident investigator ....
And yes these are preliminary reports. One of my life rules is I dont believe very much of what the press tells me, especially concerning aviation.
09-22-2008, 03:52 AM
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It is very unlikely that you would see sparks if only one of the tires blew. The brake assembly would still be off the ground in that instance, and not making contact with the concrete.
Either way braking effectiveness is cut in over half if one of two tires on any given side blows.
Either way braking effectiveness is cut in over half if one of two tires on any given side blows.
09-22-2008, 07:45 AM
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My prayers are with the family and friends of the crew and pax. In situations like this, all of us who are in the aviation industry remember why we are here. It is our passion and our dream. The two crew members were living their dream and their lives were cut short. May we remember our fallin family.
09-22-2008, 09:52 AM
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lr 60 brakes
if a tire blew and they where trying to abort at high speed with maybe half of the runway left, it probably isnt going to work. if there was only a 1000 feet of runway left it just aint happening, your screwed. the lr60 has a brake issue, there to small. often the aircraft is very limited due to brake energy. its to hard to speculate and we shouldnt, it could happen to any of us.
09-22-2008, 08:00 PM
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N999lj
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Local news coverage, includes updates, video coverage by helicopter of runway, crash site. Police dash cam video and related NTSB press releases.
Local news coverage, includes updates, video coverage by helicopter of runway, crash site. Police dash cam video and related NTSB press releases.
09-22-2008, 08:22 PM
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Pilots of N999LJ
Information regarding the crew;
This is written by a friend of Sarah's;
I personally know the pilot, Sarah, and I am proud to say I tried to mentor her. VERY SHARP lady. Stanford graduate, fluent Spanish. She temporarily gave up her budding multi-engine pilot (& aerobatics instructor) career to follow her now ex-husband to a TSA job in the Northeast. With an FAA dispatcher's license in her pocket, she took a job with Bombardier Canadair/Learjet Flight Operations Dispatch in BDL. That's where I met her and she was GOOD at the job. However, her heart was in the cockpit, and watching pilots come and go daily made the longing to get back to her own pilot career even stronger. Bombardier's politics and changes forced her to make a choice and she took the chance we all take as pilots. She was called for an interpreter job for a Citation operator to go to South America. It was her big break and her first job in a jet. She took out a loan and paid for the Citation type rating when she got back. I know she spent at least 2 years flying Citations, and was offered a chief pilot position, but turned it down. About the same time one of my customers offered her a LR60 type rating to take a contract in Moscow on a 30 day rotation. She accepted it, and went to LR60 initial. The rotation job fizzled before she got to Moscow--due to internal problems within the management company and the Russian company. She then picked up a Citation VII type with Global Executive, and I believe she was flying SIC on a GIV in addtion to her type ratings. I last spoke to her in the May 2008 time frame. She was excited, things were going well, and the world was hers for the taking. She clearly no longer needed mentoring. HOW FAST THINGS CAN CHANGE.
For friends and associates of Jim Bland Co-pilot,
Memorial Service for Jim Bland
Saturday September 27, 2008 - 2 PM
Palomar Airport
Magellan Aviation
Hangar H-9
2006 Palomar Airport Road
Carlsbad, Ca.
As a US Customs Special Agent/Pilot, Jim flew missions in defense of the United States of America for 20 years.
This is written by a friend of Sarah's;
I personally know the pilot, Sarah, and I am proud to say I tried to mentor her. VERY SHARP lady. Stanford graduate, fluent Spanish. She temporarily gave up her budding multi-engine pilot (& aerobatics instructor) career to follow her now ex-husband to a TSA job in the Northeast. With an FAA dispatcher's license in her pocket, she took a job with Bombardier Canadair/Learjet Flight Operations Dispatch in BDL. That's where I met her and she was GOOD at the job. However, her heart was in the cockpit, and watching pilots come and go daily made the longing to get back to her own pilot career even stronger. Bombardier's politics and changes forced her to make a choice and she took the chance we all take as pilots. She was called for an interpreter job for a Citation operator to go to South America. It was her big break and her first job in a jet. She took out a loan and paid for the Citation type rating when she got back. I know she spent at least 2 years flying Citations, and was offered a chief pilot position, but turned it down. About the same time one of my customers offered her a LR60 type rating to take a contract in Moscow on a 30 day rotation. She accepted it, and went to LR60 initial. The rotation job fizzled before she got to Moscow--due to internal problems within the management company and the Russian company. She then picked up a Citation VII type with Global Executive, and I believe she was flying SIC on a GIV in addtion to her type ratings. I last spoke to her in the May 2008 time frame. She was excited, things were going well, and the world was hers for the taking. She clearly no longer needed mentoring. HOW FAST THINGS CAN CHANGE.
For friends and associates of Jim Bland Co-pilot,
Memorial Service for Jim Bland
Saturday September 27, 2008 - 2 PM
Palomar Airport
Magellan Aviation
Hangar H-9
2006 Palomar Airport Road
Carlsbad, Ca.
As a US Customs Special Agent/Pilot, Jim flew missions in defense of the United States of America for 20 years.
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09-23-2008, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by robbreid
Information regarding the crew;
This is written by a friend of Sarah's;
I personally know the pilot, Sarah, and I am proud to say I tried to mentor her. VERY SHARP lady. Stanford graduate, fluent Spanish. She temporarily gave up her budding multi-engine pilot (& aerobatics instructor) career to follow her now ex-husband to a TSA job in the Northeast. With an FAA dispatcher's license in her pocket, she took a job with Bombardier Canadair/Learjet Flight Operations Dispatch in BDL. That's where I met her and she was GOOD at the job. However, her heart was in the cockpit, and watching pilots come and go daily made the longing to get back to her own pilot career even stronger. Bombardier's politics and changes forced her to make a choice and she took the chance we all take as pilots. She was called for an interpreter job for a Citation operator to go to South America. It was her big break and her first job in a jet. She took out a loan and paid for the Citation type rating when she got back. I know she spent at least 2 years flying Citations, and was offered a chief pilot position, but turned it down. About the same time one of my customers offered her a LR60 type rating to take a contract in Moscow on a 30 day rotation. She accepted it, and went to LR60 initial. The rotation job fizzled before she got to Moscow--due to internal problems within the management company and the Russian company. She then picked up a Citation VII type with Global Executive, and I believe she was flying SIC on a GIV in addtion to her type ratings. I last spoke to her in the May 2008 time frame. She was excited, things were going well, and the world was hers for the taking. She clearly no longer needed mentoring. HOW FAST THINGS CAN CHANGE.
For friends and associates of Jim Bland Co-pilot,
Memorial Service for Jim Bland
Saturday September 27, 2008 - 2 PM
Palomar Airport
Magellan Aviation
Hangar H-9
2006 Palomar Airport Road
Carlsbad, Ca.
As a US Customs Special Agent/Pilot, Jim flew missions in defense of the United States of America for 20 years.
This is written by a friend of Sarah's;
I personally know the pilot, Sarah, and I am proud to say I tried to mentor her. VERY SHARP lady. Stanford graduate, fluent Spanish. She temporarily gave up her budding multi-engine pilot (& aerobatics instructor) career to follow her now ex-husband to a TSA job in the Northeast. With an FAA dispatcher's license in her pocket, she took a job with Bombardier Canadair/Learjet Flight Operations Dispatch in BDL. That's where I met her and she was GOOD at the job. However, her heart was in the cockpit, and watching pilots come and go daily made the longing to get back to her own pilot career even stronger. Bombardier's politics and changes forced her to make a choice and she took the chance we all take as pilots. She was called for an interpreter job for a Citation operator to go to South America. It was her big break and her first job in a jet. She took out a loan and paid for the Citation type rating when she got back. I know she spent at least 2 years flying Citations, and was offered a chief pilot position, but turned it down. About the same time one of my customers offered her a LR60 type rating to take a contract in Moscow on a 30 day rotation. She accepted it, and went to LR60 initial. The rotation job fizzled before she got to Moscow--due to internal problems within the management company and the Russian company. She then picked up a Citation VII type with Global Executive, and I believe she was flying SIC on a GIV in addtion to her type ratings. I last spoke to her in the May 2008 time frame. She was excited, things were going well, and the world was hers for the taking. She clearly no longer needed mentoring. HOW FAST THINGS CAN CHANGE.
For friends and associates of Jim Bland Co-pilot,
Memorial Service for Jim Bland
Saturday September 27, 2008 - 2 PM
Palomar Airport
Magellan Aviation
Hangar H-9
2006 Palomar Airport Road
Carlsbad, Ca.
As a US Customs Special Agent/Pilot, Jim flew missions in defense of the United States of America for 20 years.
Thank you for sharing that.
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