Search
Notices
Corporate Corporate operators

department aircraft

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-03-2006, 08:21 AM
  #11  
LadyPilot
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Top reason to go to college

Originally Posted by RynoB
I might be able to know what "Become a Flying Sooner!" means ...
 
Old 05-03-2006, 11:17 AM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
JMT21's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jan 2006
Posts: 305
Default

University of North Dakota crashed their Citation 550 research aircraft this past fall in Alaska after a dual flame out while doing an icing certification (on a Sikorsky S-92 I believe). They say they are going to replace it; it got a quite a bit of use so I imagine it will be replaced sooner rather than later.

They also have a Cheyenne II, but it will be hittin' the road as soon as they take delievery of their new Eclipse Jet.
JMT21 is offline  
Old 05-30-2006, 09:33 PM
  #13  
New Hire
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Beechcraft Baron; Left Seat
Posts: 3
Default

Kansas State University has a King Air and a CitationJet, and with the recent additions to the athletic department, they are looking at replacing their CitationJet with a brand new CJ3. Students get as much as 20hrs total between the two aircraft by the time they graduate, and for only $75 an hour when on athletic trips, its a great deal.
ksupilot is offline  
Old 05-31-2006, 07:07 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Packer Backer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 292
Default

Originally Posted by ksupilot
Students get as much as 20hrs total between the two aircraft by the time they graduate, and for only $75 an hour when on athletic trips, its a great deal.
They pay you $75 an hour to fly them around in a cj3? That is a great deal.
Packer Backer is offline  
Old 06-05-2006, 08:57 AM
  #15  
New Hire
 
Joined APC: May 2006
Position: Beechcraft Baron; Left Seat
Posts: 3
Default

we pay only $75 per hour for the first three hours then the rest of the trip is free for us.
ksupilot is offline  
Old 06-05-2006, 10:35 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Packer Backer's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 292
Default

Originally Posted by ksupilot
we pay only $75 per hour for the first three hours then the rest of the trip is free for us.
So let me get this straight, you pay THEM to fly their corporate jet around? I'll let you mow my lawn if you pay me $20. i wouldn't brag about this if I were you. All it means is that you are taking a job that a professional pilot could have. Wh0re.
Packer Backer is offline  
Old 06-05-2006, 12:22 PM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
2dotslow's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 125
Default

Originally Posted by Packer Backer
So let me get this straight, you pay THEM to fly their corporate jet around? I'll let you mow my lawn if you pay me $20. i wouldn't brag about this if I were you. All it means is that you are taking a job that a professional pilot could have. Wh0re.
You have to lighten up, Packer. It sounds like a good deal for the university students, and I'll bet they're working with a "professional pilot" under a program that gives them some experience. Afterall, the CJ3 is a single pilot type aircraft. FWIW, not everybody here is a head-bashing union-type, and a little bit your characterizations go a long way.
2dotslow is offline  
Old 06-05-2006, 12:33 PM
  #18  
Chief Jeppesen Updater
 
FlyerJosh's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Oct 2005
Position: Executive Transport Driver
Posts: 3,080
Default

The CJ3 is still a jet. Where do we draw the line? What if it was a Citation X? Or how about a Gulfstream? Or a 757? I understand that it's a training program, but there comes a point where you need to draw the line. Where does training end and professional flying begin? I'm not going to go so far as calling them wh*res, but come on! I would hope that the professionals that run the program see how this hurts the industry as a whole (in turn hurting the university's ability to generate aviation income).

Besides, if it doesn't require two crewmembers, why make them pay for the time? It's not loggable anyway.
FlyerJosh is offline  
Old 06-05-2006, 01:43 PM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
2dotslow's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 125
Default

Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
The CJ3 is still a jet. Where do we draw the line? What if it was a Citation X? Or how about a Gulfstream? Or a 757? I understand that it's a training program, but there comes a point where you need to draw the line. Where does training end and professional flying begin? I'm not going to go so far as calling them wh*res, but come on! I would hope that the professionals that run the program see how this hurts the industry as a whole (in turn hurting the university's ability to generate aviation income).

Besides, if it doesn't require two crewmembers, why make them pay for the time? It's not loggable anyway.
Second things first...if they're qualified in the plane, they can log time regardless of the type certification (1 or 2 pilot.) Hell, Kingairs are single pilot certificated, but thousands of qualified pilots log time in one seat or the other when they fly. If they're university students (and pilots,) and are just filling the seats, who cares? I sincerely doubt that the KSU flight operation gives a rat's about what "the industry as a whole" thinks about their process, or generating income. I know my corporate flight department could care less.
2dotslow is offline  
Old 06-05-2006, 10:09 PM
  #20  
Line Holder
 
RynoB's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: Cessna T206H
Posts: 47
Default

Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
The CJ3 is still a jet. Where do we draw the line? What if it was a Citation X? Or how about a Gulfstream? Or a 757? I understand that it's a training program, but there comes a point where you need to draw the line. Where does training end and professional flying begin? I'm not going to go so far as calling them wh*res, but come on! I would hope that the professionals that run the program see how this hurts the industry as a whole (in turn hurting the university's ability to generate aviation income).

Besides, if it doesn't require two crewmembers, why make them pay for the time? It's not loggable anyway.
I've been flying the CE-525 (CJ, CJ1, CJ2, and CJ3) for 5 years now. Most of that time is SIC. The type certificate actually says that it is certified for 1 or 2 pilots. I've asked a couple of FAA guys if it is loggable. In a case where the plane is certified for either 1 or 2 pilots, then they say that SIC time is loggable.
RynoB is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Herc130AV8R
Military
25
03-22-2008 05:22 PM
AUS_ATC
Cargo
29
02-02-2007 06:17 AM
Imeneo
Engineers & Technicians
33
01-13-2007 08:44 AM
Calpilot
Major
34
07-10-2006 03:35 PM
TravisUK
Major
22
05-01-2006 03:55 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices