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Old 05-03-2006 | 08:21 AM
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Old 05-03-2006 | 11:17 AM
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University of North Dakota crashed their Citation 550 research aircraft this past fall in Alaska after a dual flame out while doing an icing certification (on a Sikorsky S-92 I believe). They say they are going to replace it; it got a quite a bit of use so I imagine it will be replaced sooner rather than later.

They also have a Cheyenne II, but it will be hittin' the road as soon as they take delievery of their new Eclipse Jet.
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Old 05-30-2006 | 09:33 PM
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Kansas State University has a King Air and a CitationJet, and with the recent additions to the athletic department, they are looking at replacing their CitationJet with a brand new CJ3. Students get as much as 20hrs total between the two aircraft by the time they graduate, and for only $75 an hour when on athletic trips, its a great deal.
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Old 05-31-2006 | 07:07 AM
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Students get as much as 20hrs total between the two aircraft by the time they graduate, and for only $75 an hour when on athletic trips, its a great deal.
They pay you $75 an hour to fly them around in a cj3? That is a great deal.
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Old 06-05-2006 | 08:57 AM
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we pay only $75 per hour for the first three hours then the rest of the trip is free for us.
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Old 06-05-2006 | 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by ksupilot
we pay only $75 per hour for the first three hours then the rest of the trip is free for us.
So let me get this straight, you pay THEM to fly their corporate jet around? I'll let you mow my lawn if you pay me $20. i wouldn't brag about this if I were you. All it means is that you are taking a job that a professional pilot could have. Wh0re.
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Old 06-05-2006 | 12:22 PM
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So let me get this straight, you pay THEM to fly their corporate jet around? I'll let you mow my lawn if you pay me $20. i wouldn't brag about this if I were you. All it means is that you are taking a job that a professional pilot could have. Wh0re.
You have to lighten up, Packer. It sounds like a good deal for the university students, and I'll bet they're working with a "professional pilot" under a program that gives them some experience. Afterall, the CJ3 is a single pilot type aircraft. FWIW, not everybody here is a head-bashing union-type, and a little bit your characterizations go a long way.
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Old 06-05-2006 | 12:33 PM
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The CJ3 is still a jet. Where do we draw the line? What if it was a Citation X? Or how about a Gulfstream? Or a 757? I understand that it's a training program, but there comes a point where you need to draw the line. Where does training end and professional flying begin? I'm not going to go so far as calling them wh*res, but come on! I would hope that the professionals that run the program see how this hurts the industry as a whole (in turn hurting the university's ability to generate aviation income).

Besides, if it doesn't require two crewmembers, why make them pay for the time? It's not loggable anyway.
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Old 06-05-2006 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
The CJ3 is still a jet. Where do we draw the line? What if it was a Citation X? Or how about a Gulfstream? Or a 757? I understand that it's a training program, but there comes a point where you need to draw the line. Where does training end and professional flying begin? I'm not going to go so far as calling them wh*res, but come on! I would hope that the professionals that run the program see how this hurts the industry as a whole (in turn hurting the university's ability to generate aviation income).

Besides, if it doesn't require two crewmembers, why make them pay for the time? It's not loggable anyway.
Second things first...if they're qualified in the plane, they can log time regardless of the type certification (1 or 2 pilot.) Hell, Kingairs are single pilot certificated, but thousands of qualified pilots log time in one seat or the other when they fly. If they're university students (and pilots,) and are just filling the seats, who cares? I sincerely doubt that the KSU flight operation gives a rat's about what "the industry as a whole" thinks about their process, or generating income. I know my corporate flight department could care less.
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Old 06-05-2006 | 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerJosh
The CJ3 is still a jet. Where do we draw the line? What if it was a Citation X? Or how about a Gulfstream? Or a 757? I understand that it's a training program, but there comes a point where you need to draw the line. Where does training end and professional flying begin? I'm not going to go so far as calling them wh*res, but come on! I would hope that the professionals that run the program see how this hurts the industry as a whole (in turn hurting the university's ability to generate aviation income).

Besides, if it doesn't require two crewmembers, why make them pay for the time? It's not loggable anyway.
I've been flying the CE-525 (CJ, CJ1, CJ2, and CJ3) for 5 years now. Most of that time is SIC. The type certificate actually says that it is certified for 1 or 2 pilots. I've asked a couple of FAA guys if it is loggable. In a case where the plane is certified for either 1 or 2 pilots, then they say that SIC time is loggable.
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