Flight Safety Training
01-14-2009, 07:36 PM
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Flight Safety Training
Any comments on training in the CJ3 and Citation X at FSI in Wichita? I may be headed there in the next month or two for those courses.
Is the course a gentelman's course, or is it like trying to drink from a firehose? Any ideas on what I should look at before heading off to training? Any other scoop you can offer?
Military background (20 years, all flying), 6 month stint at AA before 9/11 furlough, have not flown for about 8 months.
Thanks.
Mink
Is the course a gentelman's course, or is it like trying to drink from a firehose? Any ideas on what I should look at before heading off to training? Any other scoop you can offer?
Military background (20 years, all flying), 6 month stint at AA before 9/11 furlough, have not flown for about 8 months.
Thanks.
Mink
01-14-2009, 08:17 PM
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FSI has been trying to restructure how they view their customers. So there is less stress from having to memorize minutia like in years past. You'll need to learn limitations, but not that the bleed air overheat light illuminates at 325*. I find it best to have read the material prior to the course so you can ask more direct questions.
01-15-2009, 05:08 AM
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Not to make it sound too easy, but its not rocket science at FSI. Remember you are the customer and they will treat you as though you paid the XX,XXX number of dollars to be there. Knowing your memory items and limitations before you go makes things very easy. They should have sent you a packet with that information in it although if they didn't contact the FSI center that you are going to and they will gladly send you a packet. Just relax, try to soak up as much as you can and don't forget to enjoy the free candy!!!
Not to make it sound too easy, but its not rocket science at FSI. Remember you are the customer and they will treat you as though you paid the XX,XXX number of dollars to be there. Knowing your memory items and limitations before you go makes things very easy. They should have sent you a packet with that information in it although if they didn't contact the FSI center that you are going to and they will gladly send you a packet. Just relax, try to soak up as much as you can and don't forget to enjoy the free candy!!!
01-15-2009, 11:29 AM
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I did a recurrent for the CJ3 in ICT a few years ago and it was a very straight forward process. The systems are very simple, especially if you have experience with other jet aircraft. The biggest challenge is the avionics if you are not familiar with the FMS or avionics package. That just takes practice.
As always, if you know the memory items or limitations ahead of time, it will be that much easier.
As always, if you know the memory items or limitations ahead of time, it will be that much easier.
01-15-2009, 11:35 AM
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Retired military here too. I did the CJ initial course (but in MCO) and it was a gentlemen's course. The oral was straight forward. If this is your first FAA oral, it isn't anything to sweat. Know the A/C's limits and memory items plus a good systems knowledge then the oral will end quickly.
Relax and enjoy a MODERN aircraft.
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Relax and enjoy a MODERN aircraft.
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01-15-2009, 02:57 PM
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I'm going through CJ2+ now...its is 95% similar to the CJ3.
If you pay attention in class, and have a half-way decent cognitive understanding of aircraft systems, you'll do JUST FINE. No memorizing useless systems knowledge (example: When does the Bleed Air Duct annunciator illuminate? Answer - When the Bleed Air Duct is too hot. When does the Oil Pressure annunciator illuminate? When its too low.) The ProLine 21 is very capable and will make your life (and training) very easy.
If you know you're coming out this way, call the center and they'll email you a .pdf study guide for the airplane with basic systems & limitation info.
If you pay attention in class, and have a half-way decent cognitive understanding of aircraft systems, you'll do JUST FINE. No memorizing useless systems knowledge (example: When does the Bleed Air Duct annunciator illuminate? Answer - When the Bleed Air Duct is too hot. When does the Oil Pressure annunciator illuminate? When its too low.) The ProLine 21 is very capable and will make your life (and training) very easy.
If you know you're coming out this way, call the center and they'll email you a .pdf study guide for the airplane with basic systems & limitation info.
01-15-2009, 05:41 PM
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Thanks
All,
I appreciate the input. I made it through the FAA oral and FMS training on the F100 at AA, but that was some time ago. Have to dust off that part of my brain.
I did get the info from FSI, so will start hitting the books.
Thanks again.
I appreciate the input. I made it through the FAA oral and FMS training on the F100 at AA, but that was some time ago. Have to dust off that part of my brain.
I did get the info from FSI, so will start hitting the books.
Thanks again.
01-15-2009, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mink
All,
I appreciate the input. I made it through the FAA oral and FMS training on the F100 at AA, but that was some time ago. Have to dust off that part of my brain.
I did get the info from FSI, so will start hitting the books.
Thanks again.
I appreciate the input. I made it through the FAA oral and FMS training on the F100 at AA, but that was some time ago. Have to dust off that part of my brain.
I did get the info from FSI, so will start hitting the books.
Thanks again.
I've done several initial and recurrent courses at FSI ICT(not on the citation) and they are very much gentleman's courses. Your company is paying 10s of thousands of dollars for you to be there so they're not going to treat you badly. If you've got experience passing through the gauntlet at Amon Carter Blvd (been there done that!) you'll have no problem at corp FSI. Good luck!
01-16-2009, 02:48 AM
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They have the X manual on a CD now. You can call and tell them who you work for and when your class date is and they will send you a manual or disk. When I went thru X initial ICT sent me a manual a few months before my class. I spent a lot of time with reading it so that when I went to school I would read my hilights once each night and then just relax. I highly recommend that approach.
The only downside to the disk id that you cant Hilite, unless you have the advanded Adobe.
The only downside to the disk id that you cant Hilite, unless you have the advanded Adobe.
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