Hey foreign pilot, get out of my seat!!!
02-27-2009, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by olympic
Exactly my thoughts.
Double Dog Dare
Why don't we just kill these people, I think that would be a good thing. Your either fascist or an idiot with a post like this. I am an American currently working in Europe and I spent about 1 year of my life trying to get the JARs and Working Permit to fly here and none has ever said to me "Your a Foreigner get the out".
You should concentrate on trying to help the US AIRLINE INDUSTRY and maybe RAISE the BAR for your company or fellow collegues instead of throw all these stupid comments out regarding foreigners, if your idol is Hitler your about 66 years late.
I find it more sick that you accept wages like 20,000 US dollars to fly a plane around .. work on getting that fixed.
PS- Great first post, you have made us all proud.
Double Dog Dare
Why don't we just kill these people, I think that would be a good thing. Your either fascist or an idiot with a post like this. I am an American currently working in Europe and I spent about 1 year of my life trying to get the JARs and Working Permit to fly here and none has ever said to me "Your a Foreigner get the out".
You should concentrate on trying to help the US AIRLINE INDUSTRY and maybe RAISE the BAR for your company or fellow collegues instead of throw all these stupid comments out regarding foreigners, if your idol is Hitler your about 66 years late.
I find it more sick that you accept wages like 20,000 US dollars to fly a plane around .. work on getting that fixed.
PS- Great first post, you have made us all proud.
It;s sad when you spend so much on a college education and flight training, then years flying and building time to see your airplane sold and be out of work, while across the boarder they are hiring but not unless your a citizen with their license - and to convert you basically have to start over with private thru commerc/multi/instrument..not cheap...and at least a year to do. Yet foreigners can come into our job market with much less expense and hassle to convert their licenses. You can't argue it, its a fact. And as far as harping on me about changing things, is that why you left to fly overseas?
You said you converted, what did it cost you in money, and who paid, you?
02-27-2009, 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by skull
Double Dog Dare,
There is "some sort of reciprocity" as far as getting EU licenses for example. Among other things, it takes hard work. None of the foreign guys you might come through here have had practically no cost license conversion, and have stepped right into an aviation job. Most of them if not all have brought something to the US and have worked extremely hard to earn the privilege of leaving their "American dream" today. And no we did not have a job waiting for us in the US, we just worked hard to get some education which in turn made us more competitive than others and we were hired by US employers. We then became permanent residents and later US citizens. Then, and only then, were we able to switch to a career in aviation. Unfortunately, no one can expect to fulfill his dream in a foreign country right away. However, all of us have something in common, we knew that we had to earn it and there is plethora of American guys all over the world who have exactly done that. So, you too can do it over there if you have the patience and dedication, but like the rest of us you will have to bring something to the table as we all did here. If you decide not to do it, then you will have to accept the fact that competing for jobs here is the only way to go, and trust me employers do not favor foreign pilots against the American ones during interviews.
By the way, no country except you to start from square one as far as licenses conversion but none of them will give you a blank check and tell you Mr. pilot welcome aboard we were waiting for you, here is your new license, here's your right to live and work here and here's the job that was waiting for you. Not even the US!
There is "some sort of reciprocity" as far as getting EU licenses for example. Among other things, it takes hard work. None of the foreign guys you might come through here have had practically no cost license conversion, and have stepped right into an aviation job. Most of them if not all have brought something to the US and have worked extremely hard to earn the privilege of leaving their "American dream" today. And no we did not have a job waiting for us in the US, we just worked hard to get some education which in turn made us more competitive than others and we were hired by US employers. We then became permanent residents and later US citizens. Then, and only then, were we able to switch to a career in aviation. Unfortunately, no one can expect to fulfill his dream in a foreign country right away. However, all of us have something in common, we knew that we had to earn it and there is plethora of American guys all over the world who have exactly done that. So, you too can do it over there if you have the patience and dedication, but like the rest of us you will have to bring something to the table as we all did here. If you decide not to do it, then you will have to accept the fact that competing for jobs here is the only way to go, and trust me employers do not favor foreign pilots against the American ones during interviews.
By the way, no country except you to start from square one as far as licenses conversion but none of them will give you a blank check and tell you Mr. pilot welcome aboard we were waiting for you, here is your new license, here's your right to live and work here and here's the job that was waiting for you. Not even the US!
I mean if foreign pilots can take one written and/or a flight test and be done, why the heck can't we?
02-27-2009, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by KoruPilot
You can't just walk up to the FAA and get a licence mate, not if you want to fly for reward.
You CAN get a licence conversion to fly privately, or ferry a US registered aircraft, but if you want to be able to be employed you will need to do the FAA ATPL written and a flight test. Up until recently, if you are on an FAA ticket, all you'd have to do for Canada is take the written, no flight test. That may actually still be the case.
Other than Europe it's about the same, ATPL written followed by a check ride with the people who hired you.
Apparently you have not been to Asia or the Middle East where there are loads of Americans flying. If you took the ratio of foreigners working in the States to Americans working as foreigners for overseas airlines you might be surprised.
I'm wondering what the real problem here is. I've managed to get job's in all sorts of countries who were nice enough to have me (never the US mind you), and wrote the ATPL exams for each one. Perhaps, instead of bagging people, you might want to just try a little harder.Or maybe do just that before writing a post like this again.
You CAN get a licence conversion to fly privately, or ferry a US registered aircraft, but if you want to be able to be employed you will need to do the FAA ATPL written and a flight test. Up until recently, if you are on an FAA ticket, all you'd have to do for Canada is take the written, no flight test. That may actually still be the case.
Other than Europe it's about the same, ATPL written followed by a check ride with the people who hired you.
Apparently you have not been to Asia or the Middle East where there are loads of Americans flying. If you took the ratio of foreigners working in the States to Americans working as foreigners for overseas airlines you might be surprised.
I'm wondering what the real problem here is. I've managed to get job's in all sorts of countries who were nice enough to have me (never the US mind you), and wrote the ATPL exams for each one. Perhaps, instead of bagging people, you might want to just try a little harder.Or maybe do just that before writing a post like this again.
02-27-2009, 04:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Double Dog Dare
checked into converting it into Canada and was told that I had to take the private, and their versions of commercial, instrument, multi-engine, including all written, oral and flight tests, training to meet the test mins, which would be big bucks (approaching $50K)
This is a hoax, right? You're putting us on. C'mon ...
Flight Crew Licensing - Conversion Agreement between U.S. and Canada
I told you in my first post that the FAA to Canadian was easy. You probably talked to a Canadian that had the same attitude as yours. You fell for it hook, line, and sinker. Or, like I say, you're just putting us on.
Many people on this board , including Americans with FAA licenses, are flying overseas. Including me. JAA and FAA have about the same status. In India I took "one written and the flight test". Been here two years now. We all told you this.
So this is either what the Brits call a "wind up", or you're just ... dense. In either case I say to all ...
DON'T FEED THIS TROLL!
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02-27-2009, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Double Dog Dare
Interesting, but that's not what I was told... You said you managed to get jobs in alot of countries, but not the US. I believe if you start with an Eu/canada license, it's much easier to convert to another country's license than starting with a US license, which is my point of frustration.
Then why post something you weren't sure about, especially when you put it the way you did.
You keep harping on about the need to be a citizen of another country, in order to work there. You DO NOT need to be a citizen to fly in another country, you merely need the right to work and live there. Most countries don't hand out citizenship like confetti. Australia gives you the option after 2 years of permanent residency. The US gave me the option after 5 years of living here.
Also, any time you want to grow a few grey hairs, have a look at what's invovled in doing just the ATPL theory for a JAR license. It's damn near, almost a 4 year degree. Compared to kindergarten level exams we do here, why would you expect them to just hand over a license, especially when you've never even flown in EU airspace.
02-27-2009, 05:26 AM
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DON'T FEED THE TROLLS...
Just let the tool fester in his own lack of knowledge and ignorance. Maybe someone else got educated reading the other "foreign" pilots post that it isn't as hard as this clown thinks it is. Please go back to working on your PVT license.
Just let the tool fester in his own lack of knowledge and ignorance. Maybe someone else got educated reading the other "foreign" pilots post that it isn't as hard as this clown thinks it is. Please go back to working on your PVT license.
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