Citation Crash in Iowa
09-27-2006 | 02:22 PM
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The C560 will use up lots and lots of runway when your fast and land long on a wet runway. The AFM/OM states that for every knot over ref the landing roll will increase at least 2%. Landing distance is based at being at Vref speed, 50' over the threshhold and power to idle. If your 15-20 knots over ref and land long, you don't have a chance to get it stopped in 2900'. The C560 is a great airplane, I've been there and done that many times, but it can't do what it's not made to do. Tragic outcome. My thoughts and prayers to the familys.
09-29-2006 | 05:29 AM
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Sure you can...
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I know your family is still in shock as we are..I've spoken w/Jim's wife a few times..she's a very strong woman..I know if we help each other we can get thru this and get the answers we're looking for..I'm still hoping there are other pilots out there that were in the area of Rochester MN on July 19 that can help us piece the puzzle together...Thanks to everyone for your support!
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I know your family is still in shock as we are..I've spoken w/Jim's wife a few times..she's a very strong woman..I know if we help each other we can get thru this and get the answers we're looking for..I'm still hoping there are other pilots out there that were in the area of Rochester MN on July 19 that can help us piece the puzzle together...Thanks to everyone for your support!
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09-29-2006 | 06:12 AM
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For anyone interested-this link..http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N636SE
will show you the flight path. When you click on Track Log it will show airspeed, location + altitude. There were a few altitude changes that I have to question..starting at around 11:35 EST. This second link shows the weather @ 11:00 CST around Rochester.
http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/arc...erlay_1600.gif
Thanks to a new friend at the Weather Bureau in Iowa.
What do you think?
will show you the flight path. When you click on Track Log it will show airspeed, location + altitude. There were a few altitude changes that I have to question..starting at around 11:35 EST. This second link shows the weather @ 11:00 CST around Rochester.
http://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/arc...erlay_1600.gif
Thanks to a new friend at the Weather Bureau in Iowa.
What do you think?
09-29-2006 | 02:41 PM
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I believe you're referring to the following alt. change:
11:33AM 41.97 -91.15 386 40000
11:34AM 42.07 -91.08 376 39600 descending
11:35AM 42.15 -91.00 376 36900 descending
11:36AM 42.25 -90.97 376 40000 climbing
11:37AM 42.35 -90.93 376 32000 descending
I've seen Flightaware use the last level altitude at times when it seems to lose track of an aircraft's current altitude. FL400 was the last altitude before starting a descent. I think they started descending from FL400 at 11:33, and it shows them at FL320 at 11:37, which is about 2000/min. Normal descent. Nothing too tell-tale here, except maybe a quick descent out of 8100 at 12:00 down to 3800 in one minute. Again, Flightaware is not the most accurate in the world. Speeds look normal as well. Condolences to the loved ones.
11:33AM 41.97 -91.15 386 40000
11:34AM 42.07 -91.08 376 39600 descending
11:35AM 42.15 -91.00 376 36900 descending
11:36AM 42.25 -90.97 376 40000 climbing
11:37AM 42.35 -90.93 376 32000 descending
I've seen Flightaware use the last level altitude at times when it seems to lose track of an aircraft's current altitude. FL400 was the last altitude before starting a descent. I think they started descending from FL400 at 11:33, and it shows them at FL320 at 11:37, which is about 2000/min. Normal descent. Nothing too tell-tale here, except maybe a quick descent out of 8100 at 12:00 down to 3800 in one minute. Again, Flightaware is not the most accurate in the world. Speeds look normal as well. Condolences to the loved ones.
01-26-2007 | 07:31 PM
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I've been to the scene. That craft was waaaay too hot coming in, trying to avoid severe weather. Flightaware's log of the flight shows just minutes before the event, they lost over 8,000 of altitude in one minute, without gaining airspeed. The jet over shot the runway, drove almost 1/3 of a mile through a soybean field, slammed into the ditch of Highway 9, vaulted across the highway - leaving much of their plane at the edge of the road. The plane stopped some 750' north of the highway.
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