Any 900EX EASy drivers out there?
12-07-2010, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by NowCorporate
Was gonna say...24-25mil may be your number, if you get lucky.
A price cap of 20mil wont likely get you in a 900ex EASy today. Look at 900EX maybe? or a 2000EX Easy at maybe 20mil.
You missed the lows about 18 months ago on the larger Falcons.....7X's back over 50mil now and newer 900EX EASy around 40mil.
Good Luck in the search!
PS - Have your considered the STREAM' 200?
;-)
A price cap of 20mil wont likely get you in a 900ex EASy today. Look at 900EX maybe? or a 2000EX Easy at maybe 20mil.
You missed the lows about 18 months ago on the larger Falcons.....7X's back over 50mil now and newer 900EX EASy around 40mil.
Good Luck in the search!
PS - Have your considered the STREAM' 200?
;-)
LoL
900EX is a great plane...
2000EX would be my choice over any of them (including the mighty G200!)... just from a pilot's perspective... very capable, and great flying machine. I would say the DA2000 is one of, if not the best hand-flying aircraft available.
12-09-2010, 08:05 AM
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I looked at about a dozen EX's before we bought our EASy almost two years ago.
A 900EX can be had for under $18mil but you better do your homework. B and or C inspections can be expensive. Gear overhaul (120 months/can be extended to 144 months to coincide with a 2/4C insp), you're looking at $200k+ and 4-6 weeks down time.
900EASy, I doubt you can touch one for less than $25mil today. EASy II avionics upgrade (when it eventually shows up) will range anywhere from $50k for the base to $700k for all the bells and whistles.
As for the TR gripes, IMO, people make way to big of deal over it. We operate into numerous short fields and it's never a problem. Brakes are plentiful if you plan a reasonable landing weight. 3000 lbs of fuel is our typical load at destination. With 4-5 pax that puts us at a Vref of about 112 kts. No problem making it into a 4250' runway even if it's wet. We often go to KASE empty and typically tanker fuel in and then go to TEB. Again, no problem.
Our home airport's field elevation is in excess of 5500' PA. On a summer day, we can still get the plane slowed below 60kts in about 5000' using only the TR for braking.
The 731-60's have a little more power tha the -5BR's on the 900B. On the EX/EASy you'll typically start out at FL 380-390 and then step up to FL 410-430 but the plane is very ISA sensitive above +5.
Never heard of flying any 900 @ .72-.73m. LRC of .75 is slow enough for us and almost never used. Cruise at .82m for 7.5+hrs, .80m for 8-8.5hrs, .78m for 9+hrs. You DO NOT want to be in the seat for any longer than that, they're just not very comfortable.
I doubt you will ever fly a nicer handling plane than either of these two Falcons. They're just that good. Nimble and yet very stable, truly a nice ride. Very good handling in strong x-winds, however, you will work it all the way down to the runway. Cabin is around 5800' @ FL430.
Lastly, the 2000EX/EASy and especially the LX is a great plane. (The original 2000, not so much.) However, the boss will be giving up quite a bit in the cabin and going from a 604/605, the 2000 will "feel" like a step backward but the 900 will definitely be a move upward. Also, the lack of inboard slats on the 2000's keep the plane from meeting or beating the respective 900's runway numbers.
Hope this helps.
A 900EX can be had for under $18mil but you better do your homework. B and or C inspections can be expensive. Gear overhaul (120 months/can be extended to 144 months to coincide with a 2/4C insp), you're looking at $200k+ and 4-6 weeks down time.
900EASy, I doubt you can touch one for less than $25mil today. EASy II avionics upgrade (when it eventually shows up) will range anywhere from $50k for the base to $700k for all the bells and whistles.
As for the TR gripes, IMO, people make way to big of deal over it. We operate into numerous short fields and it's never a problem. Brakes are plentiful if you plan a reasonable landing weight. 3000 lbs of fuel is our typical load at destination. With 4-5 pax that puts us at a Vref of about 112 kts. No problem making it into a 4250' runway even if it's wet. We often go to KASE empty and typically tanker fuel in and then go to TEB. Again, no problem.
Our home airport's field elevation is in excess of 5500' PA. On a summer day, we can still get the plane slowed below 60kts in about 5000' using only the TR for braking.
The 731-60's have a little more power tha the -5BR's on the 900B. On the EX/EASy you'll typically start out at FL 380-390 and then step up to FL 410-430 but the plane is very ISA sensitive above +5.
Never heard of flying any 900 @ .72-.73m. LRC of .75 is slow enough for us and almost never used. Cruise at .82m for 7.5+hrs, .80m for 8-8.5hrs, .78m for 9+hrs. You DO NOT want to be in the seat for any longer than that, they're just not very comfortable.
I doubt you will ever fly a nicer handling plane than either of these two Falcons. They're just that good. Nimble and yet very stable, truly a nice ride. Very good handling in strong x-winds, however, you will work it all the way down to the runway. Cabin is around 5800' @ FL430.
Lastly, the 2000EX/EASy and especially the LX is a great plane. (The original 2000, not so much.) However, the boss will be giving up quite a bit in the cabin and going from a 604/605, the 2000 will "feel" like a step backward but the 900 will definitely be a move upward. Also, the lack of inboard slats on the 2000's keep the plane from meeting or beating the respective 900's runway numbers.
Hope this helps.
12-09-2010, 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by NowCorporate
Was gonna say...24-25mil may be your number, if you get lucky.
A price cap of 20mil wont likely get you in a 900ex EASy today. Look at 900EX maybe? or a 2000EX Easy at maybe 20mil.
You missed the lows about 18 months ago on the larger Falcons.....7X's back over 50mil now and newer 900EX EASy around 40mil.
Good Luck in the search!
PS - Have your considered the STREAM' 200?
;-)
A price cap of 20mil wont likely get you in a 900ex EASy today. Look at 900EX maybe? or a 2000EX Easy at maybe 20mil.
You missed the lows about 18 months ago on the larger Falcons.....7X's back over 50mil now and newer 900EX EASy around 40mil.
Good Luck in the search!
PS - Have your considered the STREAM' 200?
;-)
Oh boy.... Are we gonna go down the G-200 road again?
Yeah the EASy is above what our guy wants to spend so the 605 fits our bill the best. Plus theres the transition for us and our maint tech will be much easier.
12-09-2010, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rice
I looked at about a dozen EX's before we bought our EASy almost two years ago.
A 900EX can be had for under $18mil but you better do your homework. B and or C inspections can be expensive. Gear overhaul (120 months/can be extended to 144 months to coincide with a 2/4C insp), you're looking at $200k+ and 4-6 weeks down time.
900EASy, I doubt you can touch one for less than $25mil today. EASy II avionics upgrade (when it eventually shows up) will range anywhere from $50k for the base to $700k for all the bells and whistles.
As for the TR gripes, IMO, people make way to big of deal over it. We operate into numerous short fields and it's never a problem. Brakes are plentiful if you plan a reasonable landing weight. 3000 lbs of fuel is our typical load at destination. With 4-5 pax that puts us at a Vref of about 112 kts. No problem making it into a 4250' runway even if it's wet. We often go to KASE empty and typically tanker fuel in and then go to TEB. Again, no problem.
Our home airport's field elevation is in excess of 5500' PA. On a summer day, we can still get the plane slowed below 60kts in about 5000' using only the TR for braking.
The 731-60's have a little more power tha the -5BR's on the 900B. On the EX/EASy you'll typically start out at FL 380-390 and then step up to FL 410-430 but the plane is very ISA sensitive above +5.
Never heard of flying any 900 @ .72-.73m. LRC of .75 is slow enough for us and almost never used. Cruise at .82m for 7.5+hrs, .80m for 8-8.5hrs, .78m for 9+hrs. You DO NOT want to be in the seat for any longer than that, they're just not very comfortable.
I doubt you will ever fly a nicer handling plane than either of these two Falcons. They're just that good. Nimble and yet very stable, truly a nice ride. Very good handling in strong x-winds, however, you will work it all the way down to the runway. Cabin is around 5800' @ FL430.
Lastly, the 2000EX/EASy and especially the LX is a great plane. (The original 2000, not so much.) However, the boss will be giving up quite a bit in the cabin and going from a 604/605, the 2000 will "feel" like a step backward but the 900 will definitely be a move upward. Also, the lack of inboard slats on the 2000's keep the plane from meeting or beating the respective 900's runway numbers.
Hope this helps.
A 900EX can be had for under $18mil but you better do your homework. B and or C inspections can be expensive. Gear overhaul (120 months/can be extended to 144 months to coincide with a 2/4C insp), you're looking at $200k+ and 4-6 weeks down time.
900EASy, I doubt you can touch one for less than $25mil today. EASy II avionics upgrade (when it eventually shows up) will range anywhere from $50k for the base to $700k for all the bells and whistles.
As for the TR gripes, IMO, people make way to big of deal over it. We operate into numerous short fields and it's never a problem. Brakes are plentiful if you plan a reasonable landing weight. 3000 lbs of fuel is our typical load at destination. With 4-5 pax that puts us at a Vref of about 112 kts. No problem making it into a 4250' runway even if it's wet. We often go to KASE empty and typically tanker fuel in and then go to TEB. Again, no problem.
Our home airport's field elevation is in excess of 5500' PA. On a summer day, we can still get the plane slowed below 60kts in about 5000' using only the TR for braking.
The 731-60's have a little more power tha the -5BR's on the 900B. On the EX/EASy you'll typically start out at FL 380-390 and then step up to FL 410-430 but the plane is very ISA sensitive above +5.
Never heard of flying any 900 @ .72-.73m. LRC of .75 is slow enough for us and almost never used. Cruise at .82m for 7.5+hrs, .80m for 8-8.5hrs, .78m for 9+hrs. You DO NOT want to be in the seat for any longer than that, they're just not very comfortable.
I doubt you will ever fly a nicer handling plane than either of these two Falcons. They're just that good. Nimble and yet very stable, truly a nice ride. Very good handling in strong x-winds, however, you will work it all the way down to the runway. Cabin is around 5800' @ FL430.
Lastly, the 2000EX/EASy and especially the LX is a great plane. (The original 2000, not so much.) However, the boss will be giving up quite a bit in the cabin and going from a 604/605, the 2000 will "feel" like a step backward but the 900 will definitely be a move upward. Also, the lack of inboard slats on the 2000's keep the plane from meeting or beating the respective 900's runway numbers.
Hope this helps.
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