I remember reading about a Lear aerobatic routine- like, professional- a few years ago. Anybody know if anything happened with that?

Supporting something like this roll by the way, does show your lack of flight experience AND your hazardous additude.....

If you are going to do aerobatics, do it in a certified plane, and learn how to do it from someone who knows what they are doing.

If you suddenly feel an urge to try a simple maneuver in an aircraft that is NOT certified for it, you have just become a test pilot, and anything could happen...... which brings me to my next point.....

......If you are actually skilled enough in aerobatics to roll any aircraft out there, you wouldnt be doing it for the hell of it.

Any SKILLED aerobatic pilot will tell you that if someone is rolling a plane that isnt certified for it, they havent received enough aerobatic training to make them a skilled aerobatic pilot. Think about it.

This is kind funny because its kinda like employees at McDonalds arguing about rocket science... they have no idea what they are really talking about and they think no one will speak up on their speculation.

well, sorry to call you on this one buddy, but that video is an "aileron roll".

What you described up there is techically called a "slow roll" -a roll on the long. axis.

All who said "Aileron Roll", collect 500 points.

All who said "those guys are idiots for making that video" collect 1000 points, and keep your pilots license and job.

Do you think stuff like that happens alot more than people hear about or not?

Yes.
And here is another reason you don't do them. Especially with kids on board.
Now will you "pilots" supporting this, and giving credence to people who do this PLEASE put a sock in it before more kids are killed.


NTSB Identification: ATL07FA077
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Sunday, April 22, 2007 in Hamilton, GA
Aircraft: Beech 58, registration: N5647C
Injuries: 5 Fatal.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On April 22, 2007, about 1451 eastern daylight time, a Beech BE-58, N5647C, registered to Renaissance Aircraft Management LLC, operating as a 14 CFR Part 91 personal flight, broke up in flight in the vicinity of Hamilton, Georgia. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and no flight plan was filed. The airplane was destroyed. The private pilot and 4 passengers were fatally injured. The flight originated from Jack Edwards Airport, Gulf Shores, Alabama, at about 1300 central daylight time.

A witness stated he was in his boat fishing in a lake in the vicinity of his home. He heard an airplane approaching his location from the southeast to the northwest. It sounded as if the pilot was performing some acrobatic maneuvers. The witness looked up and could not see the airplane. The engine noise continued to increase in intensity and the witness observed the airplane to the north of the lake heading northwest. The airplane was high and descending very fast in a 45 to 60 degree nose down attitude. The witness stated he observed a wing or part of the tail separate from the airplane in the vicinity of Hamilton Mulberry Grove Road. He immediately went to his boat dock and to his home and called the 911 emergency operators to report the accident.

A motorist approached a Georgia State Patrol Officer at the accident scene and informed the Officer that he was a friend of the deceased pilot. He further informed the officer that he was planning on purchasing an airplane from the pilot, and the pilot was going to use the money from the sale of the airplane to purchase the Beech 58 that he was flying at the time of the accident. The motorist further stated that the accident pilot "flying skills were below his standards because the pilot was known for overstressing the planes he flew." The motorist further stated from having flown with him and he made a statement to a friend about three weeks ago that the accident pilot would probably crash an airplane within the next year.

A friend of the pilot stated the pilot was in his shop on Friday, April 20, 2007, before he departed to Gulf Shores, Alabama on a fishing trip in his Beech 58. The friend informed the pilot, "That he thought he was stupid and not to do anything in the airplane that would get him hurt." The pilot stated, "I think I can roll this airplane." The friend stated, "The pilot had been at Sun N' Fun in Lakeland, Florida, during the week and had observed a performer rolling a Beech 18, and the deceased pilot just kept the rolling issue in his head." The friend stated the pilot had flown with a retired airline pilot, who owns a Beech 55, and the pilot had rolled the airplane with the deceased pilot as a passenger.

Another friend of the deceased pilot stated, he was in the right front seat of the airplane on April 19, 2007, on a return flight from Sun N' Fun in Lakeland, Florida, with two other passengers in the back seats. They departed Lakeland, Florida, and the pilot climbed to an initial cruising altitude of 9, 500 feet. The autopilot was on and the airplane was cruising at 220 knots. The pilot climbed to 10,500 feet to see if they could get a better ground speed and eventually descended back down to 9,500 feet. A short time later, the pilot stated, "I want to try something." The pilot rolled the airplane to the left side, and then back to the right side with the autopilot off and stated, "I believe its possible to roll this airplane."

The pilot pushed down on the control yoke, initiated a descent, and turned the airplane to the left, pulled back on the control yoke, and the airplane went up and over to the right like a spiral until the airplane was in a knife-edge attitude. The friend of the pilot stated he did not know what airspeed they obtained while the pilot was performing this maneuver and stated, " It got me out of my comfort zone, and I could not handle it." The friend stated he grabbed the flight controls, leveled the airplane, and stated to the pilot, "I can not do this." The pilot replied, "I believe it is possible to roll this airplane." The pilot descended down to 7,500 feet and leveled off in cruise flight, and there was no further discussion about rolling the airplane. A short time later, the pilot pulled the power back on the right engine, feathered the propeller, and they continued towards Griffin, Georgia, in cruise flight. The pilot started the engine, and they made their decent and landing at Griffin.

Here's another incident that just happened too, read both articles for the full story;

First account -
http://www.9and10news.com/category/story/?id=115832

Then the truth-
9&10 News: Pilot Lied about Two Mid-Air Collisions

Younkin and Franklin RIP
 

The pilot was Bobby Younkin, and he put on a tremendous show with his Lear 23.
Unfortunately, he was killed during an airshow in Canada, along with Jimmy Franklin back in 05.
Looks as though both of their sons are going to continue the airshow tradition, in memory of their fathers.
The Lear is in a museum in Arkansas.
I believe you can find more here.
http://www.arkairmuseum.org/aircraft...-learjet23.php

Being from Arkansas, that story still makes me sad. Younkin and Franklin were excellent pilots and people. I saw Younkin's first performance in the lear years ago, amazing.

breach of discipline
 

whether it is a barrel roll or an airlerone roll is irrellavent. The fact is it's serious breach of flight discipline. Stuff like that gets you killed. The Air Force is full of stories of experienced aerobatic pilots performing unauthorized maneuvers and impromtu airshows for friends and family and packing it in right in front of thier loved ones. The two knuckleheads from Moody being the most recent example.

Didn't a couple of fractional guys or regional jet guys try something on a ferry flight and seriouly damage the aircraft? Those guys in the video pulled a whole great big handfull of stuff from thier bag of luck. Hopefully the next time they reach in there it won't be empty.

If aerobatics kills seasoned performers like Younkin, the Thunderbirds, the Blue Angels, and others......................Should you do it if you don't know what you are doing?