Warning Signs
12-24-2016, 10:47 AM
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What is the plan for the aircraft? What is the plan for replacement?
How much flying is not business related and used for personal?
Do they have Rah rah cool-aid tasting meetings? What has a priority, Flying or project management for hr appeasement?
Do they have x#of capt and x# of copilots?
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How much flying is not business related and used for personal?
Do they have Rah rah cool-aid tasting meetings? What has a priority, Flying or project management for hr appeasement?
Do they have x#of capt and x# of copilots?
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12-24-2016, 06:20 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by MOGuy
Great information so far! If I get an interview I will definitely take these questions as a foundation.
Quick edit: I know they have 3 airplanes. 2-2009 G450 and a G280 (unsure year).
What would be a good pilot ratio for that amount of metal?
Quick edit: I know they have 3 airplanes. 2-2009 G450 and a G280 (unsure year).
What would be a good pilot ratio for that amount of metal?
12-25-2016, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Falcondrivr
I'll add: What is the pilot turnover? A great department will have very little turnover. We just went 10 years with 0 people leaving. Broke the streak when our most junior person went to United (33 years old, who wouldn't?)
If pilots are staying for long carreers, there's a good indicator of the overall QOL.
If pilots are staying for long carreers, there's a good indicator of the overall QOL.
12-25-2016, 11:45 AM
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I am a legacy guy now but did the corporate gig in my early days. I worked a for a F500 company that was a great company. The flight department was run by a guy who wasn't so great. He required his pilots to be at the hanger Monday to Friday 07:00 to 16:00 no matter what the flight schedule was. And of course if a weekend trip came up you were required to go do that too.
The majority of our trips were business, however we did some personal trips for friends of the boss and the boss himself. The only time I ever had problems were on personal trips. I had to tell the big boss that he was welcome to fly himself to his hunting ranch in Texas with a VFR only private strip when the weather was 3 OVC in FRDZ. He was not happy but he's still alive he threatened to fire me. The chairmen of the board later thanked me.
I would never work for a company that requires you to be at the hanger mon to fri. As mentioned before it's a major warning sign. That company tended to run through a pilot on average every one to two years. Another huge warning sign.
The majority of our trips were business, however we did some personal trips for friends of the boss and the boss himself. The only time I ever had problems were on personal trips. I had to tell the big boss that he was welcome to fly himself to his hunting ranch in Texas with a VFR only private strip when the weather was 3 OVC in FRDZ. He was not happy but he's still alive he threatened to fire me. The chairmen of the board later thanked me.
I would never work for a company that requires you to be at the hanger mon to fri. As mentioned before it's a major warning sign. That company tended to run through a pilot on average every one to two years. Another huge warning sign.
12-26-2016, 04:03 PM
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Everybody. These are such great response Post and very valuable information, thank you all very much! Still haven't had a call back but have not had a tbnt email either. I will be taking every single post in here point to take with me if I get an interview and use them as a viable guideline. Regardless of the outcome it would be awesome to put a "Red Flag" guideline post for any future prospects to the corporate world.
Thank you again for all who have posted, your experience is greatly valued!
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Thank you again for all who have posted, your experience is greatly valued!
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03-08-2017, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mink
In my short time (7 years) in corporate aviation (former mil, a little time at the majors), it seems to me the breakdown goes a bit like this: 10% of the jobs are like winning the lottery with great pay, great schedules, great people. Another 15% are pretty good in that there's good pay but maybe the schedule sucks (or vice versa), or there's some other factor that falls into "if we could only fix XYZ this place would be perfect..." category. And the other 75% of corporate jobs are cr@p - nothing more than a stepping stone to something (hopefully) better.
I'd say the best gauge to determine what kind of job it is you're pursuing is to ask around about the culture in the flight department (corp aviation is a small world), and look at the turnover rate. Especially now, when pilot employment opportunities are growing, there's no need to stick it out at a $hit job. If a flight department you're interested in has a hard time keeping people I'd say that's your #1 sign that maybe you ought to look elsewhere for that dream job.
Good luck.
I'd say the best gauge to determine what kind of job it is you're pursuing is to ask around about the culture in the flight department (corp aviation is a small world), and look at the turnover rate. Especially now, when pilot employment opportunities are growing, there's no need to stick it out at a $hit job. If a flight department you're interested in has a hard time keeping people I'd say that's your #1 sign that maybe you ought to look elsewhere for that dream job.
Good luck.
I'm done with corporate and I'm running to the airlines. The worst airline schedule is ten times better then having live on a terrible corporate schedule.
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