velosnow

I can name many that are both left and right of the political spectrum but happen to be highly factual. None are perfect of course, but many tend to get it right

Reuters, The AP, AFP, BBC, NPR, WSJ and The Hill to name a few. Basically anything that trends toward the top & center of the various media bias charts out there. Anything in the lower 2/3rds should be dismissed immediately and anything in the middle should be met with a healthy dose of skepticism for your confirmation bias reading.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/intera...dia-bias-chart

Mesabah

You have to kiss the ass of China to get them to cooperate, notice how the WHO completely ignored vital data out of Taiwan, because it would have upset the Chinese.

GogglesPisano

Reference Post 22. I didn't ignore it. I refuted it.

You really have nothing to add here, do you?

Mesabah

The Wuhan Virology Institute has been mixing animals for decades to discover possible vectors for human transmission. They have published thousands of papers on it. Here they are splicing it with HIV https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2258702/.

The Wuhan wet market does not sell bats or pangolins. If it originated from a snake that ate a bat, forensic pathologists would be able to pinpoint the origin, or patient zero in less than a week.

GogglesPisano

And if it were manufactured in a lab, scientists would find evidence in the RNA. Thus far, they haven’t.

Mesabah

You need to be careful how that is worded, the correct statement is "(a bioengineer) would likely not have chosen this particular conformation for a spike protein." The basis that this is not man made, is that it is unlikely it would have been assembled that way.

Similar to when the aliens finally find us, and determine the MD88s were naturally occurring...

badflaps

They will also notice that we eradicated beasti Long Beachus.

Burt123

Not what this guy says.

https://www.dr-rath-foundation.org/2...E5bQP8-Ekra1hM

So which scientist are you going to believe? Arguments against this virus NOT being man-made are just as valid CURRENTLY as any arguments that side with this virus being man-made. That’s the problem, what are the facts? What is the truth? It will come out eventually though, censorship never holds everything back.

Escargot

What I don't understand is all the articles saying this is not man-made also offer very little proof. Mostly just people with degrees telling us that no way it could've been. The science I was raised in was NOT about believing anyone, only empirical evidence. Heck, even gravity is a theory. Seems like nowadays everyone wants us to trust "experts" just because they put some letters after their name. If you're truy an expert, convince me with your evidence, not your phd.

from: https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-complicated-origins.html

The Wuhan lab does work with the closest known relative of SARS-CoV-2, which is a bat coronavirus called RaTG13, evolutionary virologist Edward Holmes, of the Charles Perkins Center and the Marie Bashir Institute for Infectious Diseases and Biosecurity at the University of Sydney, said in a statement from the Australian Media Center.

In 2015, WIV became China's first lab to reach the highest level of bioresearch safety, or BSL-4, meaning the lab could host research on the world's most dangerous pathogens, such as Ebola and Marburg viruses. In 2018, after scientist diplomats from the U.S. embassy in Beijing visited the WIV, they were so concerned by the lack of safety and management at the lab that the diplomats sent two official warnings back to the U.S. One of the official cables, obtained by The Washington Post, suggested that the lab's work on bat coronaviruses with the potential for human transmission could risk causing a new SARS-like pandemic, Post columnist Josh Rogin wrote.

"During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory," the officials said in their cable dated to Jan. 19, 2018.

The Dude Abides

Which scientist? I’m going to believe the hundreds of scientists the world over who’ve studied the virus and concluded the evidence overwhelming points to it being naturally occurring. Dr. Montagnier did some excellent work with diseases like HIV but his contemporaries have raised concerns about his senility for several years now.