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Old 05-28-2020, 06:43 AM
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We shut the country when we thought we had a 3.4% CFR. With more information we realized that was no even close. We need to reevaluate everything and take this into consideration when people shout for another shutdown with a potential second wave.



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We shut the country when we thought we had a 3.4% CFR. With more information we realized that was no even close. We need to reevaluate everything and take this into consideration when people shout for another shutdown with a potential second wave.



https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampprojec...d-19-deaths%2F
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We shut the country when we thought we had a 3.4% CFR. With more information we realized that was no even close. We need to reevaluate everything and take this into consideration when people shout for another shutdown with a potential second wave.



https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampprojec...d-19-deaths%2F
Unfortunately, there are some (many?) that will take no comfort in such facts, because of the constant opposing message they are exposed to. The wife was watching Ellen the other day, and they made sure to have a 54 year old survivor on to share his near-death experience. There were plenty of opportunities taken to explain how this virus is a mortal danger to everyone, including some very scientific insights like "it seems like the healthier you are, the harder it attacks you." I don't remember the exact quote, but that was the take away from this relatively healthy man's experience.

There wasn't any discussion about how the chance of death in this age demographic is less than 0.02% (1 in about 5,500 people). Nor did they discuss that he likely suffered more because of the poor medical guidance (courtesy of WHO and CDC) that recommended against anti-inflammatory treatments and favored intubation. He also suffered significantly from blood clotting issues, which is now much better understood.

No one is saying cases like this can't happen, but no one (save the occasional article from sources like Forbes) is out there explaining these odds and trying to put it in perspective. On the contrary, the latest trend is every major news outlet waiting to pounce on the slightest uptick in any state that has dared to reopen in defiance of science.
 
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"Most Americans prefer to die at home but less than a quarter actually do.The majority die in hospitals or nursing homes."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2708119/

Sadly, Nursing Homes have been, are and will be a place where the elderly go to die.
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"Most Americans prefer to die at home but less than a quarter actually do.The majority die in hospitals or nursing homes."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2708119/

Sadly, Nursing Homes have been, are and will be a place where the elderly go to die.
A recent (but preCOVID) study showed that annual fatality rate (all cause) in nursing homes was about 34%. Median survival after admission was 2.2 years.

Having said that, they were devastated by coronavirus in states like NY where the government made them take patients with known contagious coronavirus to “assure adequate hospital beds for future coronavirus patients.”

These apare simply the figures for New York nursing home and long term care facilities where death occurred on the premises, and does not count many (most) other patients who were transferred to hospitals once they were infected and died in the hospital:

https://www.health.ny.gov/statistics...g_home_acf.pdf


The wrongful death suits against New York will go on forever, unless they are formed into a class action suit.

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Originally Posted by RustyChain View Post
We shut the country when we thought we had a 3.4% CFR. With more information we realized that was no even close. We need to reevaluate everything and take this into consideration when people shout for another shutdown with a potential second wave.



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The media hasn’t been reporting these facts enough. Seems like it’s a very clear picture of you actually do research.....if you’re elderly or have a certain underlying medical condition you’re at a very high risk. Otherwise, the risk of
severe reaction is very low. Shutting down the economy was a huge over reaction as the majority of the high risk population doesn’t work anyway.
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The media hasn’t been reporting these facts enough. Seems like it’s a very clear picture of you actually do research.....if you’re elderly or have a certain underlying medical condition you’re at a very high risk. Otherwise, the risk of
severe reaction is very low. Shutting down the economy was a huge over reaction as the majority of the high risk population doesn’t work anyway.
Yup. The rest of us could have provided for the at-risk while they hunkered down... if we had an economy to speak of.

I hope to hell that lesson gets learned, but unfortunately political opportunists can easily and fraudulently claim that their lockdowns saved billions of lives
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Prove they didnt save 7bn lives.
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Yup. The rest of us could have provided for the at-risk while they hunkered down... if we had an economy to speak of.

I hope to hell that lesson gets learned, but unfortunately political opportunists can easily and fraudulently claim that their lockdowns saved billions of lives
Bigger problems now with whats happening on the streets. This is the endgame.
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