It's just the flu!
04-15-2020, 02:19 PM
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It's just the flu!
Or is it?
<<The new coronavirus kills by inflaming and clogging the tiny air sacs in the lungs, choking off the body’s oxygen supply until it shuts down the organs essential for life.
But clinicians around the world are seeing evidence that suggests the virus also may be causing heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems. That development has complicated the treatment of the most severe cases of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, and makes the course of recovery less certain, they said.
The prevalence of these effects is too great to attribute them solely to the “cytokine storm,” a powerful immune-system response that attacks the body, causing severe damage, doctors and researchers said.
Almost half the people hospitalized because of covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine who co-chairs a task force assisting dialysis patients who have covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China — birthplace of the pandemic — losing kidney function and requiring dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy. New York intensive care units are treating so much kidney failure, he said, they need more personnel who can perform dialysis and have issued an urgent call for volunteers from other parts of the country. They also are running dangerously short of the sterile fluids used to deliver continuous renal therapy, he said.
“That’s a huge number of people who have this problem. That’s new to me,” Kliger said. “I think it’s very possible that the virus attaches to the kidney cells and attacks them.”>>
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...571_story.html
<<The new coronavirus kills by inflaming and clogging the tiny air sacs in the lungs, choking off the body’s oxygen supply until it shuts down the organs essential for life.
But clinicians around the world are seeing evidence that suggests the virus also may be causing heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems. That development has complicated the treatment of the most severe cases of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, and makes the course of recovery less certain, they said.
The prevalence of these effects is too great to attribute them solely to the “cytokine storm,” a powerful immune-system response that attacks the body, causing severe damage, doctors and researchers said.
Almost half the people hospitalized because of covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine who co-chairs a task force assisting dialysis patients who have covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China — birthplace of the pandemic — losing kidney function and requiring dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy. New York intensive care units are treating so much kidney failure, he said, they need more personnel who can perform dialysis and have issued an urgent call for volunteers from other parts of the country. They also are running dangerously short of the sterile fluids used to deliver continuous renal therapy, he said.
“That’s a huge number of people who have this problem. That’s new to me,” Kliger said. “I think it’s very possible that the virus attaches to the kidney cells and attacks them.”>>
More...........
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...571_story.html
04-15-2020, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat Guano
Or is it?
<<The new coronavirus kills by inflaming and clogging the tiny air sacs in the lungs, choking off the body’s oxygen supply until it shuts down the organs essential for life.
But clinicians around the world are seeing evidence that suggests the virus also may be causing heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems. That development has complicated the treatment of the most severe cases of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, and makes the course of recovery less certain, they said.
The prevalence of these effects is too great to attribute them solely to the “cytokine storm,” a powerful immune-system response that attacks the body, causing severe damage, doctors and researchers said.
Almost half the people hospitalized because of covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine who co-chairs a task force assisting dialysis patients who have covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China — birthplace of the pandemic — losing kidney function and requiring dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy. New York intensive care units are treating so much kidney failure, he said, they need more personnel who can perform dialysis and have issued an urgent call for volunteers from other parts of the country. They also are running dangerously short of the sterile fluids used to deliver continuous renal therapy, he said.
“That’s a huge number of people who have this problem. That’s new to me,” Kliger said. “I think it’s very possible that the virus attaches to the kidney cells and attacks them.”>>
More...........
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...571_story.html
<<The new coronavirus kills by inflaming and clogging the tiny air sacs in the lungs, choking off the body’s oxygen supply until it shuts down the organs essential for life.
But clinicians around the world are seeing evidence that suggests the virus also may be causing heart inflammation, acute kidney disease, neurological malfunction, blood clots, intestinal damage and liver problems. That development has complicated the treatment of the most severe cases of covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, and makes the course of recovery less certain, they said.
The prevalence of these effects is too great to attribute them solely to the “cytokine storm,” a powerful immune-system response that attacks the body, causing severe damage, doctors and researchers said.
Almost half the people hospitalized because of covid-19 have blood or protein in their urine, indicating early damage to their kidneys, said Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine who co-chairs a task force assisting dialysis patients who have covid-19.
Even more alarming, he added, is early data that shows 14 to 30 percent of intensive-care patients in New York and Wuhan, China — birthplace of the pandemic — losing kidney function and requiring dialysis, or its in-hospital cousin, continuous renal replacement therapy. New York intensive care units are treating so much kidney failure, he said, they need more personnel who can perform dialysis and have issued an urgent call for volunteers from other parts of the country. They also are running dangerously short of the sterile fluids used to deliver continuous renal therapy, he said.
“That’s a huge number of people who have this problem. That’s new to me,” Kliger said. “I think it’s very possible that the virus attaches to the kidney cells and attacks them.”>>
More...........
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...571_story.html
04-15-2020, 02:36 PM
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Nothing new here, just the rapid spread on the internet and the selling of news reports.
From 2010:
“ WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Patients who became severely ill with H1N1 swine flu last year often developed kidney failure, which worsened their illness and raised costs, Canadian researchers reported on Wednesday.
Doctors should be on the lookout for kidney damage in patients who are hospitalized with the virus, they told a meeting of the National Kidney Foundation.
“It’s concerning that so many people got some form of kidney injury, although it was reversible in the majority of them,” Dr. Manish Sood of the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg said in a statement.
Sood’s team looked at the cases of 47 critically ill patients with confirmed H1N1 infections who were admitted to one of seven intensive care units in Manitoba, a Western Canadian province.
Two-thirds had kidney injury or kidney failure. Eleven percent of them needed dialysis and 16 percent died.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...63E3VU20100415
And normal flu has similar symptoms, please research more before you post.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327397
There’s more just look
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23064728
Watanabe T1.
Goodpasture syndrome (GPS), also known as anti-glomerular basement membrane disease, is a rareautoimmune diseasein which antibodies attack the basement membrane in lungs and kidneys, leading to bleeding from the lungs and kidney
Now how would a reporter post this info today?
Yes the flu is bad and can effect the renal system/Kidneys
It also sounds like the COVID-19 isn’t the first or last flu with all the problems being seen today. How come we didn’t panic and shut down the world 10 years a go? There’s only one answer to that, easily available and rapid communication from news outlets and twitters. Hey it helped President Trump get elected so it must work.
From 2010:
“ WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Patients who became severely ill with H1N1 swine flu last year often developed kidney failure, which worsened their illness and raised costs, Canadian researchers reported on Wednesday.
Doctors should be on the lookout for kidney damage in patients who are hospitalized with the virus, they told a meeting of the National Kidney Foundation.
“It’s concerning that so many people got some form of kidney injury, although it was reversible in the majority of them,” Dr. Manish Sood of the University of Manitoba in Winnipeg said in a statement.
Sood’s team looked at the cases of 47 critically ill patients with confirmed H1N1 infections who were admitted to one of seven intensive care units in Manitoba, a Western Canadian province.
Two-thirds had kidney injury or kidney failure. Eleven percent of them needed dialysis and 16 percent died.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-s...63E3VU20100415
And normal flu has similar symptoms, please research more before you post.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/symptoms.htm
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/327397
There’s more just look
Renal complications of seasonal and pandemic influenza A virus infections.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23064728
Watanabe T1.
Author information
Abstract
Renal complications of influenza A virus infections are uncommon but can contribute to a deterioration in the patient's condition, which include acute kidney injury (AKI) in critically ill patients, rhabdomyolysis, hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS), acute glomerulonephritis (AGN), disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC), Goodpasture's syndrome, and acute tubulointerstitial nephritis (TIN). The clinical characteristics of AKI in critically ill patients with pandemic influenza A(H1N1) 2009 virus (A(H1N1)pdm09) infection are similar to uninfected patients. Underlying conditions associated with AKI include older age, diabetes mellitus, obesity, pregnancy, history of asthma, and chronic kidney disease. Histologic examination of the kidneys from patients with A(H1N1)pdm09 infection who died include acute tubular necrosis (ATN), myoglobin pigment, and DIC. A(H1N1)pdm09 is present in the kidneys of some patients. The clinical characteristics of patients with rhabdomyolysis associated with influenza A include younger age and the frequent occurrence of muscle symptoms. AKI occurs in approximately one third of patients with rhabdomyolysis due to influenza A. HUS is associated with A(H1N1)pdm09 as follows: Streptococcus pneumoniae-associated HUS following A(H1N1)pdm09 infection, HUS triggered by A(H1N1)pdm09 in patients with genetic complement dysregulation, and HUS associated with A(H1N1)pdm09 without known underlying disorder. AGN, Goodpasture's syndrome, and acute TIN are extremely rare complications of influenza A virus infection. Although the pathogenesis underlying renal injuries due to influenza A virus has not been delineated, some hypotheses have been advanced, including ATN due to renal hypoperfusion or rhabdomyolysis, glomerular microthrombosis due to DIC, direct viral injury to the kidney, and an altered immune system with systemic mononuclear cell activation following influenza A virus infections.Goodpasture syndrome (GPS), also known as anti-glomerular basement membrane disease, is a rareautoimmune diseasein which antibodies attack the basement membrane in lungs and kidneys, leading to bleeding from the lungs and kidney
Now how would a reporter post this info today?
Yes the flu is bad and can effect the renal system/Kidneys
It also sounds like the COVID-19 isn’t the first or last flu with all the problems being seen today. How come we didn’t panic and shut down the world 10 years a go? There’s only one answer to that, easily available and rapid communication from news outlets and twitters. Hey it helped President Trump get elected so it must work.
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04-15-2020, 03:02 PM
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Sepsis - the body attacking organs due to an excessive immune response, is one of the main reasons of death in influenza.
The damage from kidneys and other organs is likely tissue damage from sepsis. It's common for those with severe influenza responses to also die from cardiac issues.
Maybe someone can help me out here, at what point in our history did the mainstream media become dishonest wh0res? Almost everything they write is inaccurate and editorialized.
The damage from kidneys and other organs is likely tissue damage from sepsis. It's common for those with severe influenza responses to also die from cardiac issues.
Maybe someone can help me out here, at what point in our history did the mainstream media become dishonest wh0res? Almost everything they write is inaccurate and editorialized.
04-15-2020, 03:06 PM
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Maybe Dr. Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine, who’s been certified since the early 70s, should actually go back and read his medical journals.
Of course there’s multiple studies out there which, like pilots, the older doctors get the less they stay up on current practices. But a Dr from Yale must be the best out there, especially one in his 70s and there’s no mandatory retirement.
Sarcasm. Yes it is, but the point needs to be made. If I can find the reports easily how come this Dr. seems to say this is something totally new?
Just watching from the cheap seats.
Of course there’s multiple studies out there which, like pilots, the older doctors get the less they stay up on current practices. But a Dr from Yale must be the best out there, especially one in his 70s and there’s no mandatory retirement.
Sarcasm. Yes it is, but the point needs to be made. If I can find the reports easily how come this Dr. seems to say this is something totally new?
Just watching from the cheap seats.
04-15-2020, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by OVC010CB
Maybe someone can help me out here, at what point in our history did the mainstream media become dishonest wh0res? Almost everything they write is inaccurate and editorialized.
04-15-2020, 03:18 PM
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You’re right it is a virus.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-c.../coronaviruses
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. However, three new coronaviruses have emerged from animal reservoirs over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.
There are hundreds of coronaviruses, most of which circulate among such animals as pigs, camels, bats and cats. Sometimes those viruses jump to humans—called a spillover event—and can cause disease. Four of the seven known coronaviruses that sicken people cause only mild to moderate disease. Three can cause more serious, even fatal, disease. SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) emerged in November 2002 and caused severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). That virus disappeared by 2004. Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) is caused by the MERS coronavirus (MERS-CoV). Transmitted from an animal reservoir in camels, MERS was identified in September 2012 and continues to cause sporadic and localized outbreaks. The third novel coronavirus to emerge in this century is called SARS-CoV-2. It causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), which emerged from China in December 2019 and was declared a global pandemic by the World Health Organization on March 11, 2020.
But so is the “influenza A, B and the others.”
And the above are also RNA viruses.
So using the nickname “flu” may be appropriate, but that doesn’t make people tremble in fear.
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-c.../coronaviruses
Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. However, three new coronaviruses have emerged from animal reservoirs over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.
There are hundreds of coronaviruses, most of which circulate among such animals as pigs, camels, bats and cats. Sometimes those viruses jump to humans—called a spillover event—and can cause disease. Four of the seven known coronaviruses that sicken people cause only mild to moderate disease. Three can cause more serious, even fatal, disease. SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) emerged in November 2002 and caused severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). That virus disappeared by 2004. Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) is caused by the MERS coronavirus (MERS-CoV). Transmitted from an animal reservoir in camels, MERS was identified in September 2012 and continues to cause sporadic and localized outbreaks. The third novel coronavirus to emerge in this century is called SARS-CoV-2. It causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), which emerged from China in December 2019 and was declared a global pandemic by the World Health Organization on March 11, 2020.
But so is the “influenza A, B and the others.”
And the above are also RNA viruses.
So using the nickname “flu” may be appropriate, but that doesn’t make people tremble in fear.
04-15-2020, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
Maybe Dr. Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at the Yale School of Medicine, who’s been certified since the early 70s, should actually go back and read his medical journals.
Of course there’s multiple studies out there which, like pilots, the older doctors get the less they stay up on current practices. But a Dr from Yale must be the best out there, especially one in his 70s and there’s no mandatory retirement.
Sarcasm. Yes it is, but the point needs to be made. If I can find the reports easily how come this Dr. seems to say this is something totally new?
Just watching from the cheap seats.
Of course there’s multiple studies out there which, like pilots, the older doctors get the less they stay up on current practices. But a Dr from Yale must be the best out there, especially one in his 70s and there’s no mandatory retirement.
Sarcasm. Yes it is, but the point needs to be made. If I can find the reports easily how come this Dr. seems to say this is something totally new?
Just watching from the cheap seats.
I am not picking on you per se, but an easy trap for us to fall into is thinking that a little research with google provides us with an insight and depth of understanding that is impossible in subjects that people spend decades learning.
The internet has insidiously lead us to believe that we have far more understanding of many different areas of human thought and endeavor than we should. Truly a little knowledge, particularly when we wield it (collectively) in the political arena, is probably more harmful than self aware ignorance.
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