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Old 08-02-2020, 02:11 PM
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I've heard some stories and I know there's been articles about the rise of suicides in the wake of the lockdown.

It's probably not getting the attention it needs though. That being said check in on your friends and give them whatever support you can.

How many pilots are going to buckle under the stress of this downturn? Earlier this year a friend told me that 3 SWA pilots had taken their lives (I think this was around April). His point was out of all the places, SWA is usual resilient, so it is shocking.

Most are coming to understand that this is worse than 9/11 and the economy might be damaged irreparably to the point of a second great depression.
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I've heard some stories and I know there's been articles about the rise of suicides in the wake of the lockdown.

It's probably not getting the attention it needs though. That being said check in on your friends and give them whatever support you can.

How many pilots are going to buckle under the stress of this downturn? Earlier this year a friend told me that 3 SWA pilots had taken their lives (I think this was around April). His point was out of all the places, SWA is usual resilient, so it is shocking.

Most are coming to understand that this is worse than 9/11 and the economy might be damaged irreparably to the point of a second great depression.
I know one personally at a Big-3 who recently did this. Personally knew him as in flew an airplane in a prior life once with him.

Sad and unfortunate. Look out for each other. The more facts and data to drive decision making regarding our futures, the better.
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Pilots forget what it means to have some humility. For some, when their status is taken away they have nothing to fill that void with because all they did was let their job identity who they are. It’s pretty sobering that nobody really cares that you flew a plane when you apply for Home Depot. It’s not the end of the world, flying will come back. Find something else to do and get closer to friends and family.
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Pilots forget what it means to have some humility. For some, when their status is taken away they have nothing to fill that void with because all they did was let their job identity who they are. It’s pretty sobering that nobody really cares that you flew a plane when you apply for Home Depot. It’s not the end of the world, flying will come back. Find something else to do and get closer to friends and family.
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for some, the journey of becoming an airline pilot is long, costly, tortuous and almost all-consuming. For others it’s much easier, depending on the circumstances and timing. So yes, when you finally
make it to where you feel that you’ve achieved your goals, but it took 15-20 years of work, sweat and huge personal and family sacrifice, then it’s all taken away (once again).. yes it’s a bit difficult to “fill that void”.
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for some, the journey of becoming an airline pilot is long, costly, tortuous and almost all-consuming. For others it’s much easier, depending on the circumstances and timing. So yes, when you finally
make it to where you feel that you’ve achieved your goals, but it took 15-20 years of work, sweat and huge personal and family sacrifice, then it’s all taken away (once again).. yes it’s a bit difficult to “fill that void”.
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Maybe it has something to do with the fact that for some, the journey of becoming an airline pilot is long, costly, tortuous and almost all-consuming. For others it’s much easier, depending on the circumstances and timing. So yes, when you finally
make it to where you feel that you’ve achieved your goals, but it took 15-20 years of work, sweat and huge personal and family sacrifice, then it’s all taken away (once again).. yes it’s a bit difficult to “fill that void”.
well said. Airlines for me is a family business, whole family works at one, and hoped to be working there once in the cockpit while my dad and brother still worked the MX side of things, won't happen now. Life goes on, have a decent p91 job lined up for a decent paybump from the regional levels.
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Stay off the booze.
Exercise once a day.
Get out in the sun.
Focus on your loved ones.
Turn of the TV.
Get a hobby.
Move on quickly and accept reality.
Approach life as a series of chapters rather than one long story.


There will be people here in bad places: To you, this will pass, the sun will come out again.
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Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat View Post
Stay off the booze.
Exercise once a day.
Get out in the sun.
Focus on your loved ones.
Turn of the TV.
Get a hobby.
Move on quickly and accept reality.
Approach life as a series of chapters rather than one long story.


There will be people here in bad places: To you, this will pass, the sun will come out again.
Add to list:
Stay off social media as much as possible. You can live without it.
Keep APC posts minimal. Do not become a blathering idiot that is addicted to posting and replying to everything.
Refer back to "Get a hobby" and "Get out in the sun."
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And if things are getting bad enough, seek medical help. It might be the end of your airline career, but it can save your life. Your family and loved ones need you, and the world is not improved if you leave it. Sometimes doctors can help when nothing else can.

There's more to life than flying.
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Old 08-03-2020, 08:57 AM
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And if things are getting bad enough, seek medical help. It might be the end of your airline career, but it can save your life. Your family and loved ones need you, and the world is not improved if you leave it. Sometimes doctors can help when nothing else can.

There's more to life than flying.
Might be, but most likely isn’t. Many SSRIs are now approved, if required. It’s a bumpy road dealing with CAMI and SIs, but it isn’t the career death sentence it used to be.

I’ve seen SSRIs do absolutely MAGICAL things.
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