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rickair7777 05-04-2021 06:31 AM

Pfizer expected to obtain authorization for children as young as 12...


https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...s-young-as-12/

Mesabah 05-05-2021 11:54 AM

Science says get both vaccines. An mRNA vax to target the S protein, and a VV to target the N, is probably what will be needed to end the variant crisis.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...mmune-response

rickair7777 05-05-2021 01:46 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabah (Post 3231161)
Science says get both vaccines. An mRNA vax to target the S protein, and a VV to target the N, is probably what will be needed to end the variant crisis.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...mmune-response

That is of course logical. At some point though you're getting diminishing returns, with additional (minuscule, but non-zero) risk of side effects. Also additional risk of interactions between multiple vaccines and their effects, unless you do large trials to test for that first. Then there's cost, hassle, and maybe work downtime (FAA mandated for us).

Most or all of the western vaccines seem to provide very near 100% protection against severe covid, how much more do you need?

If it works for mutations, then so be it.

spirited 05-05-2021 03:11 PM

Now that our esteemed President is going to give away our $ billions of vaccine knowledge for free to the rest of the planet, I wonder if big pharma is going to change its stance on the need for 3rd, 4th, and so on Booster shots. No money in it, so why bother

rickair7777 05-05-2021 03:49 PM


Originally Posted by spirited (Post 3231275)
Now that our esteemed President is going to give away our $ billions of vaccine knowledge for free to the rest of the planet, I wonder if big pharma is going to change its stance on the need for 3rd, 4th, and so on Booster shots. No money in it, so why bother

Well they might not be so eager to lean into the problem at their own expense next time, but I suppose Uncle can always pony up.

As long as the USG makes sure they get paid one way or another, there are benefits to making a humanitarian statement.

rickair7777 05-07-2021 06:56 AM

Pfizer applies for regular (not EUA) approval...

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ne-2021-05-07/

Stan446 05-07-2021 09:03 PM

Yawn.............

Mesabah 05-09-2021 10:31 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3231221)
That is of course logical. At some point though you're getting diminishing returns, with additional (minuscule, but non-zero) risk of side effects. Also additional risk of interactions between multiple vaccines and their effects, unless you do large trials to test for that first. Then there's cost, hassle, and maybe work downtime (FAA mandated for us).

Most or all of the western vaccines seem to provide very near 100% protection against severe covid, how much more do you need?

If it works for mutations, then so be it.

The spike protein of Covid is what is dangerous about the virus, you want to avoid it at all costs if possible. Hopefully, vaccines for future SARS, can be moved to more stable, and less dangerously reactive parts of the virus.

rickair7777 05-13-2021 06:40 AM

Independent scientists suspect that booster shots may not be needed... vaccines may provide enduring immunity and good protection against mutations:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ts-2021-05-13/


Disclaimer: While big pharma might have an agenda to sell vaccines and therefore be pushing boosters, there might be an opposing agenda to divert vaccines to the developing world, rather than using production for first-world boosters next year. But everything I've observed so far seems to project decent protection against mutations and enduring efficacy for over a year. The only way to know for sure is to run the clock out and keep doing clinical studies to carefully and accurately monitor real-world vaccine performance.

Mesabah 05-13-2021 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3234341)
Independent scientists suspect that booster shots may not be needed... vaccines may provide enduring immunity and good protection against mutations:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ts-2021-05-13/


Disclaimer: While big pharma might have an agenda to sell vaccines and therefore be pushing boosters, there might be an opposing agenda to divert vaccines to the developing world, rather than using production for first-world boosters next year. But everything I've observed so far seems to project decent protection against mutations and enduring efficacy for over a year. The only way to know for sure is to run the clock out and keep doing clinical studies to carefully and accurately monitor real-world vaccine performance.

You'll need booster doses to maintain antibody levels. The key here is to not get Covid at all, rather than, "keep yourself out of the hospital". This virus can produce nasty tissue damage, even in mild to no symptom type cases. Personally, I don't like how the vaccines work, because it is the spike protein that is the problem. However, infection is obviously worse than the damage the vaccine causes.


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