Originally Posted by StewBlu (Post 3110695)

Thank you for your Service.

Statistically speaking the reason you and your children have never contracted influenza is because enough others do receive the vaccine. If everyone made the same choice you did the flu would be a much larger problem. The same goes for polio, tetanus, Hepatitis B, Hepatitis A, rubella, Hib, Measles, Pertussis, Pneumococcal Disease, Rotavirus, Mumps, Chickenpox, and Diphtheria just to name a few.

The reason some have never heard of some of the above diseases is precisely because of vaccines.

Vaccines are their own worst enemy.

Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 3110711)

I’ve gotten the flu twice in the last decade, confirmed by rapid PoC test, despite getting the vaccine every single year since 2001.

(shrug)

Still get the vaccine every year, same as wife and kids...no autism or mercury poisoning or other statistically rare side effect here.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3110686)

Flu shot effectiveness is complicated, and at this point is not really a good parallel for a potential covid vaccine.

In addition to the innate efficacy of a specific flu vaccine, the other big factor is the seasonal guessing game as to WHICH vaccines to include in the current seasonal cocktail. Even guessing right only maximizes protection for the population of vaccine recipients, it still does not guarantee that every recipient will be vaccinated against the flu strain(s) they might get exposed to.

There's no reason to suspect that covid will behave like the flu, which exists in a perpetual seasonal mutation loop as it bounces between pigs, chickens, and peasants. Obviously covid can infect some animals, but there's no indication it will run amuck in livestock populations. It's ability to mutate will probably be severely curtailed once it gets mostly knocked down in the human population... mutation opportunity is related to the number of viral replications which occur, and the number of individual hosts.

With the flu shot, the best way to maximize effectiveness IMO is to get it every year. That way you have, in addition to this year's cocktail, you have at least some residual immunity to the most prevalent strains going back some number of years. I haven't had the flu in decades, and I suspect that's because the .mil gave me a shot every single year whether I wanted one or not. I've had the flu when I was younger but never after about five years in the mil.

Originally Posted by Gundriver64 (Post 3112851)

AM I the only one here bothered by the fact that many of these COVID 19 vaccines will be made with fetal cells from aborted babies?

Or this DoD run program called Warp Speed?

Originally Posted by Gundriver64 (Post 3112851)

AM I the only one here bothered by the fact that many of these COVID 19 vaccines will be made with fetal cells from aborted babies?

Originally Posted by Gundriver64 (Post 3112851)

Or this DoD run program called Warp Speed?

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3112886)

I don't know of any production vaccines made that way. I can't speak to what's happening in R&D.



The DoD is really good at getting big operations done fast, and they have lots of people who are trained and practiced at organizing big pick-up games from scratch (especially if money is no object). I doubt any other government agency could handle it, they are accustomed to the speed of civil slacking.... the GS goes home at the crack of 15:30, while the DoD burns the oil all night.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3112886)

I don't know of any production vaccines made that way. I can't speak to what's happening in R&D.



The DoD is really good at getting big operations done fast, and they have lots of people who are trained and practiced at organizing big pick-up games from scratch (especially if money is no object). I doubt any other government agency could handle it, they are accustomed to the speed of civil slacking.... the GS goes home at the crack of 15:30, while the DoD burns the oil all night.