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Old 09-17-2020, 05:15 PM
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....even more than the cases during the worst of the outbreak in March.


This doesn't bode well for us. Europeans are doing what we have been doing: sick and tired of being tied home for 6 months, so going out and about. Just wait until the regular flu season Dec-March starts mixing with Covid19.


https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/17/coro...ns-return.html

‘Very serious situation’ unfolding in Europe, WHO warns, as cases rise dramatically

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The cases in some EU countries are rising significantly, Spain and France most notably, yet the death rates are virtually unchanged even though this spike began 6 weeks ago. During the first wave deaths and cases rose together in near linear fashion. Make of that what you will.
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The cases in some EU countries are rising significantly, Spain and France most notably, yet the death rates are virtually unchanged even though this spike began 6 weeks ago. During the first wave deaths and cases rose together in near linear fashion. Make of that what you will.
Younger infected. That’s been shown. And it sort of makes sense. They are - personally - at very little risk, and there are both medical and emotional costs to lockdown as well.
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The cases in some EU countries are rising significantly, Spain and France most notably, yet the death rates are virtually unchanged even though this spike began 6 weeks ago. During the first wave deaths and cases rose together in near linear fashion. Make of that what you will.
The first wave took the “low hanging fruit,” if you will. Now there are less vulnerable people around (RIP) plus better measures in place for the remaining vulnerable people. So now we see the slow burn through the more healthy and active population, which is why deaths aren’t rising with cases.
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The same exact lack of significant rise in deaths following an infection wave has been seen in the US since Memorial Day.
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It’s not just the deaths. Covid19 can leave lasting repercussions on your health even if you are young. This is not a good bug to catch by any means.
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It’s not just the deaths. Covid19 can leave lasting repercussions on your health even if you are young. This is not a good bug to catch by any means.
Not the issue. The issue is IF YOU DO CATCH IT you will do much better if you are young and healthy than old with comorbidities.

and come to think of it, I don’t thing there is ANY pathogen it’s good to catch by any means.
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Covid19 can leave lasting repercussions on your health even if you are young.
People keep saying this but there is no data to support it. If this were true to any significant degree, the fear mongers would be pumping those stats constantly just like they do with total deaths and cases. Even anecdotal stories are few and far between.
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People keep saying this but there is no data to support it. If this were true to any significant degree, the fear mongers would be pumping those stats constantly just like they do with total deaths and cases. Even anecdotal stories are few and far between.
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Return to Usual State of Health

Among the 270 of 274 interviewees with available data on return to usual health,† 175 (65%) reported that they had returned to their usual state of health a median of 7 days (IQR = 5–12 days) from the date of testing (Table 1). Ninety-five (35%) reported that they had not returned to their usual state of health at the time of interview. The proportion who had not returned to their usual state of health differed across age groups: 26% of interviewees aged 18–34 years, 32% aged 35–49 years, and 47% aged ≥50 years reported not having returned to their usual state of health (p = 0.010) within 14–21 days after receiving a positive test result. Presence of chronic conditions also affected return to health rates; among 180 persons with no or one chronic medical condition, 39 with two chronic medical conditions, and 44 with three or more chronic medical conditions, 28%, 46%, and 57%, respectively, reported not having returned to their usual state of health (p = 0.003) within 14–21 days after having a positive test result. Among respondents aged 18–34 years with no chronic medical condition, 19% (nine of 48) reported not having returned to their usual state of health. Adjusting for other factors, age ≥50 versus 18–34 years (adjusted odds ratio [aOR] = 2.29; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.14–4.58) and reporting three or more versus no chronic medical conditions (aOR = 2.29; 95% CI = 1.07–4.90) were associated with not having returned to usual health (Table 2). Obesity (body mass index ≥30 kg per m2) (aOR 2.31; 95% CI = 1.21–4.42) and reporting a psychiatric condition§ (aOR 2.32; 95% CI = 1.17–4.58) also were associated with more than twofold odds of not returning to the patient’s usual health after adjusting for age, sex, and race/ethnicity.

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Resolution of Symptoms and Duration

Among the 274 symptomatic outpatients, the median number of symptoms was seven of 17 listed in the interview tool (IQR = 5–10), with fatigue (71%), cough (61%), and headache (61%) those most commonly reported (Figure). Among respondents who reported fever and chills on the day of testing, these resolved in 97% and 96% of respondents, respectively. Symptoms least likely to have resolved included cough (not resolved in 43% [71 of 166]) and fatigue (not resolved in 35% [68 of 192]); among 90 who reported shortness of breath at the time of testing, this symptom had not resolved in 26 (29%). The median interval to symptom resolution among those who reported individual symptoms at the time of testing but not at the time of the interview ranged from 4 to 8 days from the test date, with the longest intervals reported for loss of smell (median = 8 days; IQR = 5–10.5 days) and loss of taste (median = 8 days; IQR = 4–10 days). Among respondents who reported returning to their usual state of health, 34% (59 of 175) still reported one or more of the 17 queried COVID-related symptoms at the time of the interview.
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Anecdotal and small sample size. They ask the young hypochondriacs who would actually go to a doctor for mild cold symptoms if they feel anything later on. Just look at the forums dedicated to this, it's the same people who go on webmd and think they have cancer every time something feels off.
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