WotFace

That's great! But then you said...

That's the same thing as running wild! Healthy people are the one's who are spreading the virus. Healthy people need to be responsible. Wear masks. Stay distant when possible. Otherwise this nightmare will just continue. The upper Midwest is still reeling -- from what? You guessed it! Sturgis! That was the match that lit the fire which is still burning today.

And I remember all the temper tantrums about how there was a model that predicted 250,000 cases from Sturgis. If anything, I'd say they underestimated the damage.

Excargodog

The two weeks are up. Do you not remember the deal? He wanted me to watch the numbers for two weeks. I did. There was a large rise in the total number of new cases daily - more than doubling - and a very modest increase in daily deaths - from 780 to 838 for the seven day trailing average. The case fatality rate continued to drop for the whole two week period.

Weren’t you paying attention? I swear, it’s like strewing pearls to swine with you...

Knobcrk1

The rising cases and deaths are from young people now. Look at all the cases around the world with lockdowns coming. How’s that working out for you? If you get this, the chances of complications as well as death is pretty high compared to the flu. I know personally of people dying from it just because they caught it from friends or family. They were here and then gone soon after for no reason other than they got close to someone. So to me, the .01% of death statistics is totally meaningless. The only reason why it’s not a total disaster is because most have followed the health guidelines. It means social distancing and masks or all not just grandma. Sooner we all do this the quicker we can move on. Letting it open is just going to prolong the misery that all the spikes will cause. In fact that’s what’s happening now. If they had stricter lockdowns for 2 months instead of a few weeks, along with strict National mask policies we would have been in a way stronger position than we are now.

WotFace

I never made any deal with you. I'm a brand new member to Airline Pilot Central. But your legend is known. Legends say that you would post daily tracking about how awesome the US was doing in comparison to the world. They say you have a magical ability to switch the category to whatever fit your narrative. I was looking forward to seeing some of that advocacy for myself.

Don't disappoint me.

Seneca Pilot

Maybe you missed the edit but I carried the numbers out to four years, assuming either herd immunity or a vaccine.

The deaths aren't all preventable, probably most were not preventable. This is an airborne virus. It will spread. Even if Donald Trump wasn't President and we had locked down tight from Jan 15th and every person in the US wore masks, and Gov Cuomo hadn't forced thousands of patients into nursing homes full of vulnerable people, the virus would still have spread and thousands would have died. Even using Germany's deaths per million the US would have over 41K deaths and we are not Germany. Our population is far more independent and diverse. Mask compliance in the US is nearly as good as Asia so there is more to the story than simple complaints about a President that doesn't wear them in public.

I am not attempting to start a fight I just thought it was interesting how unlikely any of us are to die from Covid.

Seneca Pilot

Then explain this:LOCK SHOCK

Sweden’s average daily Covid deaths fall to just 0.6 despite no national lockdown while UK & France soars to 200

• Joe Duggan

• 28 Oct 2020, 19:14
• Updated: 29 Oct 2020, 6:28

SWEDEN'S seven-day rolling average coronavirus daily death toll has fallen to 0.6 despite the country having no national lockdown.

But cases surged yesterday to 1,980, the highest since the start of the pandemic.

4Sweden has refused to implement a national lockdown during the pandemicCredit: Reuters
4Sweden has stood out for not imposing a national lockdown like other European countries, and has so far avoided a large spike wave of deaths in the second wave.

It comes as the UK and France see their seven-day average death toll hit almost 200.

On Tuesday, France reported 523 Covid-19 deaths, its highest daily total since April, as Emmanuel Macron tonight placed the country back into national lockdown.

Britain saw another 310 deaths today, the highest daily toll since the end of May as health officials warn the spike in second-wave deaths may continue "for some time".
Germanywas tonight plunged back into national lockdown as Europe is ravaged by a surge in cases.

SWEDISH SUCCESS

Sweden has a population of around 10 million, only slightly higher than London's, and has had nearly 6,000 deaths, some 70 per cent of them in care homes.

Despite the UK and Sweden's different strategies a study in August showed exposure rates in Stockholm and London were similar.

Sweden's aim, led by state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell was to pursue voluntary social distancing.

People were urged to work from home and to avoid public transport with table service encouraged at bars and restaurants.

Officials also claimed masks gave people a false sense of security and weren't to be encouraged.
We in Sweden have always had the same regulations in place, the same recommendations and general advice, and they still apply.
Anders Tegnell, State EpidemiologistIt has been claimed a high number of single occupancy homes in Sweden may also have helped stem Covid-19 transmissions.

More than half of Swedish households consist of one person, and around a third of elderly people living on their own.

Sweden has opted to offer guidelines to people without imposing strict rules and fines, and even gave advice to the UK despite Boris Johnson deciding to plunge millions back into lockdown.

Defending Sweden's strategy, Mr Tegnell has said: "We in Sweden have always had the same regulations in place, the same recommendations and general advice, and they still apply.

"I think it creates a sense of security and a long term perspective and then it is easier to follow."

He has also rejected claims that Sweden chose to "sacrifice the elderly" to stay open.

WotFace

When you're under a certain age, death from all things is unlikely. But it has to be considered for the threat that it is. And right now it is the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States. And it is mostly preventable by having a society that tries to do their part.

Politics aside, the quicker we get this under control, the quicker we get back to normal. And be clear -- no matter how much you wish it could be.. or post on APC about it.. THERE IS NO BACK TO NORMAL while this virus is raging out of control.

AntiPeter

While no country has let it run wild, the country that has been the most open throughout the pandemic is Sweden.

Sweden had zero COVID fatalities on 10/29 and they are currently one of the only European countries that hasn’t seen an increase in COVID death this fall.

Would you entertain the idea that attempts to suppress the virus, in addition to being failed policy, are actually making the pandemic more fatal and prolonged?

The virus was never in control. The virus will not be in control. Until society stops overreacting society will be in chaos and the effects of the virus will be amplified.

Attempts to suppress the virus have been in most cases a destructive failure.

Masks, lockdowns and unfortunately likely a vaccine aren’t going to stop it.

WotFace

Anyone that's been following this virus knows by now that it doesn't hit all the areas at the same time. So you're quick to post graphs that show Sweden at a low point and claim "GREAT SUCCESS!" when in reality they're just 2 months behind the wave.

As the Zen master says, "we'll see."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2L1-TgfKb4

Seneca Pilot

It is the third leading cause this year by raw numbers, yes. It will pass. Case fatality rates are dropping, treatment is improving, and herd immunity is advancing. I don't actually think an effective vaccine will be produced. Doesn't mean we won't be told there is one. They have been working on Corona virus vaccines for many years so I am not sure why this time is different.

Meanwhile we have people dying because of delayed medical treatments and testing. Dying from suicides and depression due to lost jobs. And dying from heart disease at alarming rates because our food is crap and our lives are stressful.

I think I will move to St. Kitts. They don't have any cases.