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Old 10-25-2020 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
And yet we’re getting a 3% revenue premium and are carrying more business passengers as a percentage of our overall numbers and a higher percentage of business travelers compared to the rest of the industry than ever before.

I guess those business travelers are not included in your “smart enough” category.
Those business travelers are booking with the corporate credit card, so with everything being equal, sure they will fly Delta if the middle seat is open. Meanwhile a 3% premium while 33% of the seats are blocked from
sale, though the holidays, with holiday travel around the corner? Did I miss the cancelation of Deltas furloughs on Nov 1, serious question? Because Delta doing a victory lap that the airline is keeping middle seats open for a few more months, while thousands are are about to be furloughed...

If Delta feels the open middle seat is their best business strategy to maintain business loyalty with their travelers, that’s all well and good. But to act like it’s not a marketing strategy, that’s silly. Delta tweeting about the Haunted Houses of other airlines is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel safe on Delta
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Old 10-25-2020 | 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
I follow the numbers on Worldometers and watch for trends. I read papers from all over the world while traveling.

Most European countries and the US have very high voluntary mask compliance and/or fine-based coercion and yet are seeing rapidly climbing case numbers. Sweden has single digit voluntary mask compliance and no mandate and has not seen a major climb in positive cases until very recently.

Every medical professional I know (and they are numerous) tell me that masks, and especially cloth “face coverings” like bandanas are absolutely ineffective at controlling a virus. They are moderately effective in controlling bacteria and particulates.

In other words, I use my own eyes, ears, and intellect to formulate a conclusion. I don’t use the agenda-driven scare tactics of the media, including the sources you cite, to make my conclusions for me.
No, you and a few other conspiracy theory posters on here make up your own numbers, use anecdotal stories, and refuse to post legitimate sources of your claims due to supposed fake news/government/medical institutions. Basically anything you guys disagree with is dismissed as fake or some crazy conspiracy.

The frustrating part for me is I very much want the US to get past this BS. I know it’s possible, as I live in a city of 8 million people that has single digit COVID cases because people here aren’t claiming a bunch of crazy BS all the time.

I have zero understanding of why people like you are choosing this as the hill to die on, with absolutely nothing legitimate to back it up.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wrxpilot
No, you and a few other conspiracy theory posters on here make up your own numbers, use anecdotal stories, and refuse to post legitimate sources of your claims due to supposed fake news/government/medical institutions. Basically anything you guys disagree with is dismissed as fake or some crazy conspiracy.

The frustrating part for me is I very much want the US to get past this BS. I know it’s possible, as I live in a city of 8 million people that has single digit COVID cases because people here aren’t claiming a bunch of crazy BS all the time.

I have zero understanding of why people like you are choosing this as the hill to die on, with absolutely nothing legitimate to back it up.
Well said.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by CincoDeMayo

If Delta feels the open middle seat is their best business strategy to maintain business loyalty with their travelers, that’s all well and good. But to act like it’s not a marketing strategy, that’s silly. Delta tweeting about the Haunted Houses of other airlines is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel safe on Delta
Not well and good, because it is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel UNSAFE on other carriers and a denial of the validity of the DARPA testing that was recently released. By both promulgating a non sustainable model (because Delta isn’t going to survive on 66% load levels and flogging unwarranted fears, Delta is hurting the whole industry.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/how-...itary-research
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Old 10-25-2020 | 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
Not well and good, because it is in fact a marketing strategy to make people feel UNSAFE on other carriers and a denial of the validity of the DARPA testing that was recently released. By both promulgating a non sustainable model (because Delta isn’t going to survive on 66% load levels and flogging unwarranted fears, Delta is hurting the whole industry.

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/how-...itary-research
its their decision if they want to continue to block middle seats, if that is what they feel will generate a revenue premium and attract HVCs that is exactly what they will do. if companies and business travelers want this and DL will get long term corporate contracts because of this, DL will block middle seats til the pandemic is over
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Old 10-25-2020 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
*with proper face mask usage
The risk is the same with or without masks actually, since there haven't been any cases.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
The risk is the same with or without masks actually, since there haven't been any cases.
Not correct, there were two cases of suspected transmission prior to masks being worn on planes early on. Since then, no cases have been shown to have occurred since mask usage was widely adopted. And the defense dept's recent study concluded masks are an integral part of it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/risk...ry?id=73616599
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Old 10-25-2020 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
its their decision if they want to continue to block middle seats, if that is what they feel will generate a revenue premium and attract HVCs that is exactly what they will do. if companies and business travelers want this and DL will get long term corporate contracts because of this, DL will block middle seats til the pandemic is over
No one said it wasn’t their decision, only that it wasn’t one that was good for the industry as a whole.Especially when they denigrate other airlines for not doing it.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Not correct, there were two cases of suspected transmission prior to masks being worn on planes early on. Since then, no cases have been shown to have occurred since mask usage was widely adopted. And the defense dept's recent study concluded masks are an integral part of it.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/risk...ry?id=73616599
Four months of no mask usage produced 2 possible cases, and six months of mask usage produced no cases. Good thing the media scared all the passengers away.
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Old 10-25-2020 | 09:00 AM
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Mask or middle seats is not the real issue. The recent study shows how safe air travel is, but until domestic and international COVID restrictions are lifted, there isn’t really much of a need to travel. Even if we could provide a 100% guarantee that passengers would not contract COVID while traveling, why would they want to buy a ticket when the business/leisure attractions at their intended destination are closed or severely restricted? When the world opens back up, we’ll be ready to take people where they want to go. Until then, regardless of the safety of our product, there is very little demand for what we sell.
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