Originally Posted by spirited (Post 3209973)

I am not intending to get the vaccine - unless forced to by my airline employer.

Originally Posted by spirited (Post 3209973)

Before you guys rush off to fetch the tar and feathers - riddle me this -

Would you trust your grand parents, parents, wife, kids and grandkids, to go on a LAX-SYD non-stop flight if the two pilots up front had been selected out of a special government program where they were earned their ratings
- on govt funding
- 24/7 training for 6 months in Arizona
- 21yo FO - with 1,000 hours total - just off IOE
- 23yo CA - 2,000 hours total, 1,000 flying piston twins for an EAS airline, a fresh PIC type, just off IOE

Originally Posted by 400000Dead (Post 3209919)

I suggest you read some of Xtreme87's posts before you rush to white knight him. He has a long and distinguished history of being an anti-vax kook on this website. He wanted to call me a cultist for inquiring about getting vaccinated, and I called out his nonsense. Simple as that.

He is anti-technology. He is pro-conspiracy. And having those two positions while operating aircraft is a mystery to me.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3209917)

We're not discussing that subject here, but most of the available vaccines certainly have nothing to do with it. If it concerns you, you can quickly google which vaccine to avoid.



Most vaccines don't really have six years of trials, they have the same trials as the covid vaccines, it's just spread out over years because they there are pauses and delays between various stages for financial and bureaucratic reasons... that was all short-circuited with covid. Unlike other pharma, the vast majority of problems involving vaccines historically pop up within hours or days (typically problems with the vaccine itself, or allergies) or within a few weeks (auto-immune issues).

We're many months into this with 100's of millions of recipients. Might be some rare blood-clotting issues with the AZ vaccine, which can be treated now that they know what to look for (and is not approved in the US anyway).




Sure. The ones who get dogged around here are pretty extremist, pretty irrational, and pretty vocal about it. But just sayin, there are few pharmaceuticals on the market which have had as many trial and real-world participants as the covid vaccines. Many drugs need a longer look, since they may be taken chronically or repeatedly, but like I said you typically get a vaccine just once (plus booster), and vaccine-related problems manifest quickly. The wait and see argument loses steam by the day and will quickly become irrational. But ultimately it's your right to chose.



Those of us flying 121 mostly would prefer to get vaccinated, since we're exposed to all manner of bugs on the plane, at the airport, in the van, hotel, etc. We're also subject to unemployment if FAA aeromedical doesn't like any lingering "long-haul" symptoms we may acquire... I'm actually more worried about the FAA than covid itself. Some risk either way, you have to manage that. I know a couple pilots with minor long-haul symptoms, but I don't know any pilots who had issues with the vaccine.

Originally Posted by thatknifemaker (Post 3210095)

I didn't realize how big this post was, but on the front page of the post, there were people calling anti vaccers "karens" and whatever. I'm no virologist, but according to criver.com and other reliable sources, vaccines take 10-12 years to develop succesfully. That includes research, development, trials, and whatever other stages are in the process.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3210106)

Don't take my word for it. Follow your own link, look at the blog on the lower right of the page titled "The Hunt for a COVID Vaccine" and read their in-depth explanation of how covid vaccines were successfully developed, approved, and deployed in about 9 months.

It looks "successful" to me. As I keep repeating again and again, vaccines don't remain in your body so any side effects show up within weeks. We're way past that. All the hysterical karens who keep complaining that it hasn't been long enough are standing at the station waiting for a train that left about a month ago.

Now I do agree that if someone is developing a vaccine for some niche bug that only affects a few people, or maybe isn't prevalent in the developed world and has limited market potential, that would take years. Covid was a special case.

Originally Posted by thatknifemaker (Post 3210089)

Ironically though, I'm parenting you lol (note, in a constructive way)

Originally Posted by thatknifemaker (Post 3209908)

Just a quick heads-up: I'm not an anti-vaccer, I have all of my needed vaccines up-to-date.

Now, lemme give you a bit of insight on why there are anti-vaccers. I promise you, most of them have arguments that hold rhetoric, and have some fascinating data and science about them. First off, let me just quickly say that if one comes from a middle class, to upper class home, wouldn't you think they probably have more or better education than someone from a lower class establishment, so maybe there's some factual evidence about what they have to say? Maybe it's just me, but I would rather get a diagnosis from Dr. Oz, than Dr. Dre. (I know Dre is rich now, but growing up he wasn't and he has little to no education.)

Anyways, one reasons why there are anti-vaccers are that back in the 1960s, there were two children who were aborted for the purpose of fetal fibroblast research, and those cells from the aborted fetus was used to develop vaccines. In fact, popular vaccines which you might have (chickenpox, rubella, and one version of the COVID-19 vaccine). As we all know from biology class, cells reproduce constantly, so no more fetuses were required and will not be needed to for a good while.

That's just the surface about the fetal fibroblast viral-vaccine research. Don't quote me on all the terminology, I'm only a highschool student haha.

All that to say, one of the reasons anti-vaccers are anti-vaccers, is because they don't morally agree with the fact that a child should've been aborted for the purpose of developing vaccines. And because the cells are still alive today, and even in your bloodstream likely, you TECHNICALLY have a child living in you, who was born in the 60s. I know, it's weird. I promise, I'm trying to sound as unbiased as possible.


This is more pointed toward the COVID-19 vaccine, but another reason why we have anti-vaccers, or just people who don't want to get the COVID-19 vaccine at this time (which is totally different, by the way), is because it is so new. Most vaccines have at LEAST 6 years worth of trials before it is mass-produced. Sometimes, within those 6+ years of trials, they still throw away the vaccine because there were side effects. The COVID vaccine however, took less than a year to develop 2 types of vaccines. I personally think it is wise to just wade it out, and see what happens to the others who got the vaccine first, and give it a few years to see if the vaccine had any side effects. Ever watch 'I Am Legend'? That's essentially what they're wary of. Maybe not the extreme of a zombie apocalypse, but something similar like a new, more deadly disease developing, or just death.

I think there is a difference between an anti-vaccer, and someone who just wants to give time to see what other people's physical reactions are to it. It's just prudent, in my opinion.

All in all, I think it's unfair to call anti-vaccers, or people who are waiting a little bit to get the vaccine, 'Karens' or other names. They generally, people don't believe what they do arbitrarily. These people have reasons, and or personal convictions that don't allow them to think it's right. Does that mean they should go around yelling at other people condemning them to hell for getting it? Of course not, but they are allowed to have that conviction, and are able to civilly share their reasons for what they believe.


Now, will I be getting the vaccine? Likely yes, but I have 2 years before I get all the licenses I need from flight school to make that decision before getting into the airlines, as well as 2 years to see if the vaccine, does or doesn't have any side effects.

Hopefully this gave you guys some insight, haha.

Originally Posted by skywatch (Post 3210134)

I don't doubt specifically anything you say - but still curious why it had to be approved under an Emergency Authorization then, and why it is still only approved under an Emergency Authorization. If it is just as complete and just as good a process, why not approve everything this way? And I know it isn't just about the money.

Originally Posted by firefighterplt (Post 3162263)

The rumor mill is already fierce.

“I’ve heard it causes sterility and birth defects.”