Excargodog

Please note that what I posted were RATES so the ‘more populated’ argument simply doesn’t apply.

Also, that as time goes by, death RATES from COVID for most nations - at least those with reliable statistics - are starting to even out at about one in a thousand or so.



The only huge discriminator is those countries with high birth rates - hence younger median age populations - seem to have lower death rates which given the stats for young populations - like active duty military and their dependents - certainly makes sense.

Knobcrk1

What is the total score right now? It’s pretty bad for all of them and Texas and Florida is not done yet. The point is the rates have nothing to do with restrictions. You can’t prove that restrictions are the reason why cases are going up. It just sounds good for your agenda. Cases would be even higher with no restrictions. Also again, you put Texas and Florida up but they’re in no way a model, they’re the worst states behind California in this.

AntiPeter

Oh, but it is true. Why? Because, I believe in science.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/eci.13484

The authors compared the effect on case growth of “less-restrictive” and “more-restrictive” non-pharmaceutical interventions (which by the way, is a euphemism for actions that close businesses, schools and other activities and that restrict the freedom of citizens). Their method was designed to isolate the impact of more-restrictive interventions from normal epidemic dynamics. They used ten countries, most from Europe, the US, Iran and South Korea, to test the effects. Sweden and South Korea had the lightest set of restrictions. Enacting some form of interventions was associated with a modest effect on case growth. Enacting the more restrictive ones was not associated with lower cases, in fact in France it appeared to be associated with faster case growth.

rld1k

You realize the CCP released many videos that were circulating social media that were obvious propaganda? People on the ground in the streets shaking violently, doctors in hazmat suits with rifles, ect. These were made deliberately and spread on social media to incite panic in the west.

kaputt

It worked on Knob.

galaxy flyer

Today’s WSJ

From “The Coming Plague,” an April 10, 2007, Journal op-ed by Manhattan Institute fellow Peter Huber, who died Jan. 8 at 68:



Germs no longer need to be smarter than our scientists, just faster than our lawyers. Public authorities are ponderous, rigid and slow; the new germs are nimble, flexible and fast. Drug regulators are paralyzed by the knowledge that error is politically lethal; the new germs make genetic error—constant mutation—the key to their survival. Germs use pigs, bacteria and each other as genetic mixing bowls. They discover ways (as one strain of HIV has apparently now done) to use our drugs as food. And they celebrate our Constitution. People as negligent with pills as they are with germs have already helped spawn drug-resistant forms of tuberculosis, by taking enough medicine to kill weaker strains, while leaving hardy mutants alive to take over the business. . . .



Pentagon-scale government has trouble enough dealing with car bombers; government contractors will never be agile enough to keep up with germs. What we need is a robust, flexible, innovative, diverse and fragmented portfolio of drug companies, sinking a lot of new capital into highly speculative ventures, almost all of which will lose money, with just one or two ending up waved through by regulators, eagerly paid for by insurers, vindicated every time by judges and juries, lauded in the mass media, and so spectacularly profitable for investors that they crowd in to fund more.

It is hard to see how we will get there without a revival of our germ-fearing culture, and it may well take a horrible germ to revive it. How horrible? What might it look like?



Ponder this question. What would a watchmaker have done—not a blind one, but one with keen eyes and an excellent loupe—if called upon to design a microbe that would thrive among people so fortified by so many vaccines, and armed with such a potent array of antibiotics, that their surgeon general, black umbrella in hand, had actually signed the articles of surrender on behalf of all the germs? Nature got there without the loupe.

Excargodog

Nor is California.


If you truly believe that the rate of infections has nothing to do with restrictions, then why FOR THE LOVE OF GOD are you advocating for restrictions?

Now I will grant you that - from the standpoint of the statistical ‘null hypothesis’ the assumption is that restrictions and the rate of infection are unrelated and increasingly that is starting to appear to be the case over a long enough time period, but the death rate appears to be affected by the TIMING of those infections. States like Texas and Florida, which have spread out their cases over most of the year, clearly appear to be doing better than those - like California - who are only now seeing their ICUs overwhelmed.

Nor can you prove that they aren’t. It just sounds good to your agenda.

and your statistical evidence of this is..?

That’s right, yet bad as they are they are doing better than highly restricted California.

Knobcrk1

No seriously, you can’t prove that restrictions are the reason cases are going up.

There’s news that CA is finally starting to show decline in cases. What happened a few weeks ago? Restrictions.

Again Texas and Florida are doing very badly and they’re not done yet. The numbers don’t lie.

Knobcrk1

It depends on the country, the culture, the people and how each society takes this seriously or not. Restrictions have nothing to do with actual case growth. I’d like to see where they prove this in the science you’re talking about. Because it can’t. Generally you have less restrictions when that society is on the same page. Clearly we are not since many thought this was a hoax.

Excargodog

Absolutely correct. Just like you can’t prove they are the reason they are going down which, incidentally, they ARE NOT.

Yeah, FAKE news:





Which don’t appear to have done Jack squat...




The infection rates between the three states are not significantly different. And to the extent there is a difference, California is highest and the only one above the national average.