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Old 01-01-2021, 05:09 AM
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Welcome to 2021, the Canadian Govt has just decreed that you must have a negative PCR test if you are to fly to Canada.

Are there any other pilots out there that commute from Canada?
Is there an exemption for commuters?
Does anyone know who to contact, is there someone in ALPA that can help?

Does any one know where to get a cheap PCR test ($130 every few days is unsustainable).

Even timing the tests will be difficult.
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Old 01-01-2021, 05:16 AM
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Canada is requiring air crews to test negative PRIOR to entry?

Link?

Did a brief Googley search and noted the requirement would be for passengers but did not see any stipulation for crews.
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Correct, Crew do not need it.

I am a commuter. I will need it. Not sure how this is going to work.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...to-canada.html

So the issues are endless.

What if you test positive? Then the airline bars you from travel, denying citizens from going to their own country.

How will the airline certify that its a real test? How will the Canadian Govt certify that the test is a real one?

What a joke.

Add to this that it must be a PCR test, which has a turn around of a few days.....BUT the test must be performed within 72hrs, Talk about cutting it fine.
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Correct, Crew do not need it.

I am a commuter. I will need it. Not sure how this is going to work.

https://www.canada.ca/en/transport-c...to-canada.html

So the issues are endless.

What if you test positive? Then the airline bars you from travel, denying citizens from going to their own country.

How will the airline certify that its a real test? How will the Canadian Govt certify that the test is a real one?

What a joke.

Add to this that it must be a PCR test, which has a turn around of a few days.....BUT the test must be performed within 72hrs, Talk about cutting it fine.
And all the reasons PCR tests are practically meaningless anyway. The stupid is unceasing.
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And all the reasons PCR tests are practically meaningless anyway. The stupid is unceasing.
As I take in the news surrounding this virus I have to keep reminding myself that the survival rate is 99.78% and a huge percentage of the deaths have been of people beyond their average life span. As the dust settles in a couple of years I am guessing that the actual excess deaths will be flat to slightly up and well within normal distribution of error. One has to ask him/herself what the hell we are allowing to be done to us?
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And all the reasons PCR tests are practically meaningless anyway. The stupid is unceasing.
Most clinical lab tests are meaningless when they are applied to general screening. Read up on Baye’s Theorem.

Or, for those preferring a video:

https://youtu.be/VuskwsIW02M
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Here's another tidbit, average age of person dying with covid is around 78 years.
Average lifespan of an american? 78.5
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Even as a commuter...you are still aircrew.

Is Canada's exemption ONLY for *operating* crew?
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As I take in the news surrounding this virus I have to keep reminding myself that the survival rate is 99.78% and a huge percentage of the deaths have been of people beyond their average life span. As the dust settles in a couple of years I am guessing that the actual excess deaths will be flat to slightly up and well within normal distribution of error. One has to ask him/herself what the hell we are allowing to be done to us?
Eventually the death rate is ALWAYS 100%, which is why the usual metric of death measurement in epidemiology (at least in less snowflake times) was YPPL, that is, Years of Potential Life Lost.

That metric would value the death of a 90 year old at his/her actuarial life expectancy of just under five years while valuing the death of a 16 year old at 65 and a half years, a recognition that nobody is going to live forever.

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html
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Even as a commuter...you are still aircrew.

Is Canada's exemption ONLY for *operating* crew?
This is from the CBSA website:Q. Who is exempted from this requirement?

A. Those exempted from this requirement include children who are not five years of age or older.

Other exemptions include:

a) a crew member or a person who seeks to enter Canada only to become such a crew member

b) Emergency service providers

c) Technical stops – flights refueling

So you need to be crew.

They can't even verify where you got the test, the validity of it or if the testing site is certified. Its complete theatre.

Is there anyone at the union that can help? Its loose and fast policy on the fly.
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