Zard

An illness (obesity and its side effects) caused by one's own choices is the definition of not my problem.

Eat leafy greens and lean protein. Go for walks regularly. Don't smoke or drink to excess.

If Americans lived by these rules, the toll from COVID would have been markedly less. The data from other countries and our own year long effort support this.

So yea, I guess expecting people to take care of their health as much as they can control it makes me an anarchist.

400000Dead

You might as well wish everyone had a million dollars. That's not the world you live in.

If the country is incapacitated by a virus, pre-existing conditions or not, then your lifestyle and livelihood are very much at risk.

And you thinking of yourself as a nation of one very much makes you an anarchist.

Zard

And yet people insist government can control a virus by denying human nature. I think we've seen the failure of that hubris in places like NY and CA.

400000Dead

Control? No. Reduce? Definitely.
No one was ever shooting for 100%. But something is better than nothing.
How's the Nation of Zard doing?

Knobcrk1

Have we though? CA is number 30 in deaths per million. NY well at least they got their cases down low after being the epicenter long ago

Seneca Pilot

You just type without having information don't you.

The data insights

Our Data Insights Unit has been tracking the Covid-19 crisis around the world and its data shows how Japan has had a very different experience of the crisis compared with other developed market countries.

The charts below show Google mobility data, tracking workplaces, transit and ‘other’ (an average of retail, parks and grocery/pharmacy activity). While Japan did experience a drop-off in activity in all these areas, it was nowhere near as pronounced as the sharp drop seen in the UK when lockdown was imposed on 23 March, or in Germany, where strict social distancing measures were ordered on 22 March.



Part of the reason for this is that Japan did not impose a national lockdown; indeed, the government has only limited power to impose such restrictions. Instead, a series of more piecemeal measures were announced.

For example, on 25 March the governor of Tokyo advised residents from going outside at weekends, following this up on 30 March with an explicit warning against karaoke venues, concerts, bars and nightclubs. A state of emergency was declared in various prefectures – including Tokyo – on 7 April, expanded nationwide on 16 April, and lifted in in stages during May.

The charts below show the stringency and economic importance of various lockdown measures in Japan, the UK and Germany. Darker shades represent greater stringency.



Mark Ainsworth, of the Schroders’ Data Insights Unit, says: “From this, we can see that the UK enacted much stricter stay-at-home requirements than either Japan or Germany. Meanwhile, Japan experienced less stringent workplace and public transport closures.”

This can help explain Japan’s better GDP performance in Q2. However, the higher levels of mobility and less stringent lockdowns seem at odds with Japan’s record of far fewer cases and deaths from Covid-19 than countries such as the UK.

Mark says: “Many observers have pointed to cultural practices such as mask-wearing as an existing norm and greeting others by bowing instead of shaking hands. Japan’s clear communication to the public has also been cited as a very important factor. Public health notices have centred on avoiding the “3 Cs” - Closed spaces, Crowded places, and Close contact - and it appears that adherence to this advice has been high.”

Mask wearing in Japan is a norm for people with symptoms. As I have been saying general lock downs don't work and masks and quarantines should be left to the sick and vulnerable.

Every time you post there is no supporting documentation. Every time I post there are quotes, charts, graphs, and data. Who is more credible?

400000Dead

Anyone who brings up New York as a comparison is an assh*le. Everyone knows that NYC got blindsided by uncontained transmission in the early days, and subsequently had an exceptionally devastating outbreak.

Every state that followed had the advantage of watching and learning from New York and New England. The fact that other states are even close speaks to the failure of those states' policies.

Seneca Pilot

Actually the earliest cases were on the west coast, not the east. And the first wave in NY wasn't that bad in comparison with the rest of the country. Where NY really lost the battle was the second wave in the fall. The mistrust of Cuomo following the terrible handling of the nursing home situation combined with the mishandling of the lock downs that I linked the quote about in my earlier post meant that people had had enough by then. He and De Blasio had literally welded or chained park gates closed so children had nowhere to play during the summer. Terrible leadership.

Earliest US coronavirus cases might date back to December – BGR

Knobcrk1

You literally just said in the other post that we can’t compare island Asian nations to our circumstances. But you’re using Japan as a comparison? Do you honestly think that quite possibly the most obedient and self considerate culture of Japan can be realistically emulated to make your point of letting people decide? Half the people here thought this was a hoax last summer.

400000Dead

You really don't know anything, do you? You're basing that off of confirmed cases? New York City saw a massive influx of cases imported from Europe. But there were no tests in March and April 2020.

But I really appreciated your pivot into politics, rather than stay on topic. A for effort.

Shouldn't you be in Malaysia by now?