BoilerUP

Somebody other than Makary saying it now...
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/we-co...133725324.html

Note the link in the Yahoo article for the Columbia University study...

Speed Select

Well, at least one person did. Then as a nation we decided that person was bad.

Ronaldo

I wasn’t going to respond but... Low on antibodies does mean low on antibody response to antigens. T-cells, leukocytes B-cells etc are part of immune response not all of it. As you probably know.

You probably also know that “QUICKLY” letting the virus spread to 10s of millions does not impact mutation. Mutation in viruses occurs based on number of hosts/reproduction rather than an arbitrary time. They don’t reproduce without host cells. This isn’t bacteria.

I am guessing you aren’t an epidemiologist or virologist. But maybe I’m wrong. I am certainly not a scientist. I ask the ones in my family, when I have questions, then I listen and ask more.

For the people that keep saying this is the first time we’ve ever socially distanced or “locked down”, I’d be curious if you are counting 1918 pandemic. I am also curious why every other country from DPRK to Canada has either closed borders, stopped foreign travel, or some combination. Is that all part of the “first time?”

I’d also like to know what this arduous national lockdown is, because I’ve been eating on patios or getting to-go food for a year now.

Ronaldo

I don’t know. One was a post COVID travel waiver. Had to submit a negative test result and the guy got an antibody test at the same time. The other was done in Colorado.

I hear Hong Kong employs one to release people from the temporary hospital camp. Their test is looking for a threshold antibody response that’s quantifiable (from what I hear).

rickair7777

Yes, "quickly" doesn't matter. If 100M people got the bug over ten years, that would provide the same mutation opportunity as 100M in six months.

There was some "light" social D and even masking in 1918, but no mass shutdowns like this time. The Spanish Flu ran it's natural course. Covid will not do that any time soon, if ever, without vaccines. At the rate we're going it's possible or even likely that without vaccines natural immunity will fade faster than the population of covid-exposed people grows, thus never getting to herd immunity. Although eventually everybody who's severely susceptible will eventually just die (that played a role in 1918). But that could take decades or longer... would basically need some evolutionary selection.

BoilerUP

HKG’s test is looking for short-term IgM antibodies to confirm immune response...not long-term IgG antibodies.

123494

Pretty soon the world will have to answer the biggest question of all:

When will Fauci be put on trial for war crimes?

block30

Apples to handgrenades.

We have so much video audio and recorded text at this point. I could understand that if what was happening in the covid world was hearsay and splices of old 8mm scratched up film with no sound.

But thats not the case here. Not at all.
To claim otherwise is to insult everyone's intelligence.

Ronaldo

In context, I assert “quickly”, meant before vaccine. So 10M, while vaccine is developed, is worse than 1M while vaccine is developed. Just like stopping this thing in China at day 14 would have been better than shipping textile workers back to Italy.

I agree that this is now endemic. It may not be so in 20 years, but I’ll be either dead or high risk and rich by then, so I’m okay with that.

From day one, my point has been, given the virus is novel, given its R0, given it kills about 1%-17% (when hospitals are saturated), given on 24 Jan 2020 you don’t know you can produce an effective vaccine, why would you let it rip? I’ve always said that early “let it rip strategy” was ill advised and foolhardy.

The strategy of denying its existence or its danger were both detrimental. That’s my point.

Countries that had experience like Taiwan, Korea, or Australia, all took similar actions. They limited foreign influx. They contact traced. Once R0 got below a certain number, they allowed their citizens to go about almost normal lives. The foreign influx was limited.
I have pictures to prove it, from all over the world.

In the US, we did none of the above. Instead, people started arguing about whether the virus was even a threat, while bodies stacked up in their local hospitals. Few bothered to even ask an ER M.D. their thoughts.

Yes 400,000 people die from non-contagious heart disease, every year. I don’t think tailgates or Church potlucks should be banned. This isn’t all binary, there is nuance.

Gordie H

​​​​​​I have only respect for Fauci (as does 70% of the country). That said I wouldn’t be opposed to getting some new blood in leadership. Someone with more aggressive ideas…like Dr. Ashish Jha of Brown U.