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Old 04-20-2021, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons View Post
So are you staying out of restaurants like Fauci is, or says he is?
The fact that you guys care so much about the dining habits of an 80 year old government employee is a little weird.

Even if he did go out to eat, I bet it was an early bird special.
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Old 04-21-2021, 04:23 AM
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The fact that you guys care so much about the dining habits of an 80 year old government employee is a little weird.

Even if he did go out to eat, I bet it was an early bird special.
So you disregard his actions and reasoning for not dining out even though he's fully vaccinated? Why would you do something that an expert in the epidemiology is refusing to? Are you denying science?
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Old 04-21-2021, 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne View Post
Finally got around to reading this. It’s the most poorly written allegedly ‘science’ article I have ever read, and does not even define an hypothesis before meandering off into chicken-little like ‘very bad consequences’ that are alleged but by no means proven and are pretty much unsupported by any data. Even an attempt at what appears to be some meta analysis (of what I’m still not sure) doesn’t make any sense, conflating statistical significance (under certain conditions of variability going from 100% blood oxygen saturation to 99% might actually be statistically significant - ie, two standard deviations off the mean - but physiologically unimportant since the human normal is 95-100% saturation anyway and going from San Diego to Albuquerque will likely take it down to 93%) with biologically significant which for all but those only not tenuously clinging to life with end stage COPD is really not a problem.

Nor does this appear to have any connection with Stanford and it actually isn’t a ‘study’ at all, more of a diatribe comes to mind. And that from someone who believes are society as a whole, the Public health people in general, and our politicians in particular have grossly over reacted to COVID.

But bad “science” (although I hate to dignify the article with the word) is still bad, no matter which side of the argument it allegedly supports, and this article is so bad it doesn’t qualify as science at all.
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Finally got around to reading this. It’s the most poorly written allegedly ‘science’ article I have ever read, and does not even define an hypothesis before meandering off into chicken-little like ‘very bad consequences’ that are alleged but by no means proven and are pretty much unsupported by any data. Even an attempt at what appears to be some meta analysis (of what I’m still not sure) doesn’t make any sense, conflating statistical significance (under certain conditions of variability going from 100% blood oxygen saturation to 99% might actually be statistically significant - ie, two standard deviations off the mean - but physiologically unimportant since the human normal is 95-100% saturation anyway and going from San Diego to Albuquerque will likely take it down to 93%) with biologically significant which for all but those only not tenuously clinging to life with end stage COPD is really not a problem.

Nor does this appear to have any connection with Stanford and it actually isn’t a ‘study’ at all, more of a diatribe comes to mind. And that from someone who believes are society as a whole, the Public health people in general, and our politicians in particular have grossly over reacted to COVID.

But bad “science” (although I hate to dignify the article with the word) is still bad, no matter which side of the argument it allegedly supports, and this article is so bad it doesn’t qualify as science at all.
Too late. I've already thrown all my masks away and have printed a copy of the study to present to anyone who tells me I'm required to wear a mask in public places.
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Old 04-21-2021, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
But bad “science” (although I hate to dignify the article with the word) is still bad, no matter which side of the argument it allegedly supports, and this article is so bad it doesn’t qualify as science at all.
Bad Science?

You saying this is "bad science" is like all the reporters saying your flying stinks.

But hey, we need a little science.

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Old 04-21-2021, 01:36 PM
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Here's where the "science" (physics to be exact) is true.

A perforated barrier, as in a mask, slows the velocity of the air moving through it. Because vapor in the air has mass it tends to fall in a physically predictable manner.



The answer for science and physics dummies is this, the moisture from the breath does not go as far.

So, does this prevent COVID from spreading? And the grand most accurate answer from physics and science is this, NO!

It only reduces the distance of the exhaled virus.

Why does this seem so difficult.



So what is this driver doing that is so unsafe, he's wearing his mask and gloves?

And this is why bicyclist get hit by drivers using their cell phones.

Save lives, don't use your cell phone while driving!!!
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Originally Posted by Regularguy View Post
Here's where the "science" (physics to be exact) is true.

A perforated barrier, as in a mask, slows the velocity of the air moving through it. Because vapor in the air has mass it tends to fall in a physically predictable manner.



The answer for science and physics dummies is this, the moisture from the breath does not go as far.

So, does this prevent COVID from spreading? And the grand most accurate answer from physics and science is this, NO!

It only reduces the distance of the exhaled virus.

Why does this seem so difficult.



So what is this driver doing that is so unsafe, he's wearing his mask and gloves?

And this is why bicyclist get hit by drivers using their cell phones.

Save lives, don't use your cell phone while driving!!!
It’s a lot like the crowd that wears a mask when riding their bike but dosen’t wear a helmet..
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Old 04-21-2021, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Descendto450 View Post
It’s a lot like the crowd that wears a mask when riding their bike but dosen’t wear a helmet..
Makes total sense?



Of course there's the husband who told his wife not to wear a helmet because it will mess up her hair. Must be a cultural thing.

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Old 04-21-2021, 02:31 PM
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I like this guy:


Totally protected and fighting the COVID virus in many ways. Oops that was when we were all worried about fallout. "There's nothing new under the sun!"
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It’s a lot like the crowd that wears a mask when riding their bike but dosen’t wear a helmet..
Smoking with the mask pulled down to their chin is my favorite.
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