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Old 04-24-2021, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires View Post
I can definitely agree with than. I just take issue when the success of places like Texas are attributed to the bravery of reopening and unmasking rather than the same concept of geographically sporadic rises and falls. I don’t think the answer to that is to do nothing and let viruses virus. And now with vaccines it is harder to attribute credit and blame.
Seriously - what did you expect. From the time that Jenner discovered vaccination with cowpox would prevent smallpox to the eradication of smallpox was 180 years, and took a prolonged multi-year effort with the USA and the USSR (among many others) putting aside long standing disputes to work together. And that was with a vaccination that provided at least ten years of protection from infection and likely lifetime protection from serious illness.

You may think we can stop viruses from virus in, but we can’t stop people from being people, and both sides of the political spectrum have politicized this, making a tough job of overcoming vaccine skepticism even worse. A minority of people in this country are adequately vaccinated against all the common things that have been around for decades that have vaccines which have a good track record and provide long lasting immunity. And most other countries @re even worse. If you seriously believed at the outset that vaccines were going to be a quick fix or an easy sell, you were hopelessly naive.

The real question was how optimally we could approach this issue, and that really required a more global measurement than just a body count, including long term effects of economic and educational factors. Both parties made that more difficult, as did all the name-calling by the partisans on both sides. But history tells us that too was to be expected, part of people being people, I guess.
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:04 AM
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Getting rid of red tape and speeding up the process had exactly nothing to do with the success either...
I give him credit for that too.

But how much effort do you think that took from the White House? An afternoon? An hour?

Operation Warp Speed required the combined effort from the White House of saying, "Yes. Do that."

It was a critical green light. But it cost nothing and anyone would have made the same call.
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:22 AM
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Getting rid of red tape and speeding up the process had exactly nothing to do with the success either...
Getting rid of red tape? 😂😂 How hard that must have been considering there was a deadly worldwide pandemic raging.
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:38 AM
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Are certain people intentionally forgetting how several governors either totally blew it or intentionally screwed up the nursing home response to covid-19? I bet you'd care a helluva lot more if an elderly relative was murdered...
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FlewUnderWires View Post
I can definitely agree with than. I just take issue when the success of places like Texas are attributed to the bravery of reopening and unmasking rather than the same concept of geographically sporadic rises and falls. I don’t think the answer to that is to do nothing and let viruses virus. And now with vaccines it is harder to attribute credit and blame.

The virus hasn’t been all that unpredictable. Without herd immunity it doesn’t matter if your area has low cases, they’ll be the next hot spot. The worse thing we can all do is analyze things by denying that we’re still in it. Declaring victory over it prematurely only makes things worse. Until we reach herd immunity, the virus is gonna virus and they’ll make you wear that chin warmer longer.
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Old 04-24-2021, 11:06 AM
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The virus hasn’t been all that unpredictable. Without herd immunity it doesn’t matter if your area has low cases, they’ll be the next hot spot. The worse thing we can all do is analyze things by denying that we’re still in it. Declaring victory over it prematurely only makes things worse. Until we reach herd immunity, the virus is gonna virus and they’ll make you wear that chin warmer longer.



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Old 04-24-2021, 11:29 AM
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He also said without evidence that it was going to miraculously all go away LAST April.
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Old 04-24-2021, 11:31 AM
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He also said without evidence that it was going to miraculously all go away LAST April.
That's the beauty of the former guy. He says a lot of things. That way, you can cherry pick what he said once and never be wrong.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/16/trump-says-he-thinks-us-could-start-distributing-a-coronavirus-vaccine-in-october.html
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Old 04-24-2021, 12:28 PM
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I find it hilarious that this forum is now backbending to try to assign credit to Trump.

It's a contortionist show worthy of Cirque du Soleil.
Backbending?

If Trump gets the blame from you for his poor handling of the virus early on, then he must also receive credit from you for how well the vaccine development and distribution has gone - since it was his administration's game plan (laughed at by the Left and media, btw).

You can't have it both ways, Sheila.
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