Qotsaautopilot

Supposedly if a vaccinated person is a covid carrier the viral load that they shed is so small the likelihood of them infecting an unvaccinated person is extremely small.

I think this was part of the reason the CDC amended their guidance on vaccinated having to wear masks. As more became vaccinated they were able to accumulate more data on them perhaps spreading it to others and I guess it’s unlikely.

So in theory someone who cannot be vaccinated may be interested in only being around someone that is when sitting that close.

rickair7777

I don't know. I didn't start the thread, and I didn't make up the hypothetical situation we're discussing. I also don't care if a JS-er is vaccinated or not.

I'm just saying nobody is going to be able to force a CA to take you if he doesn't want to. If he denied the JS based on gender or ethnicity, obviously that's not going to fly for him. But there is just enough general public perception that covid is dangerous that nobody is going to second-guess a CA on that.

Now what a company or union *might* do is to ban CA's from asking to see any personal medical info, other than the FAA 1C. Of course our hypothetical covid-fearing CA would simply refuse all JS-ers at that point.

Remember some crews were refusing the cockpit JS before the vaccines were out, for covid safety, and nobody called them out on that... their prerogative. I actually have a friend who did that because he wasn't senior enogh to get a LOA and his wife was being treated for cancer. So it wasn't hysterical politics in his case, he just didn't want to bring the bug home to his lady while she was doing chemo.

But we might want to wait until somebody actually gets denied before we get too worked up

rickair7777

That's obviously necessary to do the job he's getting paid to do.

Carry peolple in the JS is actually not in the job description.

rickair7777

Like I said, if the issue is forced our hypothetical hero will just refuse all JS-ers. Sometimes we tell the gate that we can't take any in the cockpit for operational reasons... what are you going to do about that, sue all the way to the supreme court?

But again, this is going to be just like the 1% who don't want a guy jammed in the cockpit of a guppy with him on a transcon, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it.

I'm talking about off-line. If it's your own company, you might be able to get the union to do something maybe. But there's no recourse off-line and no union is going to start a JS war over something like this... especially since it hasn't happened yet.

RJSAviator76

Actually Rick, there’s A LOT that can be done and no, it’s not the same as not wanting a second guy in the jumpseat on a transcon.

First off, my medical record, including my vaccination record is my own personal business. In other words, it’d be akin to asking a jumpseater if they’re straight or gay with the wrong answer in the eyes of the captain getting the jumpseater the boot.

The policies everywhere state jumpseaters should wear masks. That’s it. NOBODY, not even the government, can require people to take EUA vaccine until it’s officially approved, let alone some power hungry, “Liberal as ******” (his words in his bio, not mine) captain.

Secondly, not even a valid comparison with the second jumpseat because there’s a world of difference between physical limitations and someone’s zealotry.

Grumpyaviator

Aren’t shot records protected under hipaa? Seems to me if some individual other than your present/prospective employer presses you for your medical info they’re overstepping.

Even then, you’re required to sign an authorization for your records to be released. Yes, failure to do so can disqualify you for the job, but a company representative can’t arbitrarily shut you out.

Long story short, hipaa protects you from health agencies releasing your info, but employers/businesses can still require the information if you voluntarily consent, at the risk of being denied a job or services. Some employee/captain somewhere can’t set his own medical standard to ride his plane.

https://www.beckershospitalreview.co...-weigh-in.html

rickair7777

HIPPA protects you data from unauthorized release and use by other party. It inb no way prevents YOU from voluntarily releasing that data to anyone you chose.

It also does not prevent a CA from denying you the jumpseat if he's not comfortable. Like I keep saying, if you tell CA Covidian that he can't ask for vaccine cards then he'll just not take any JS-ers.

rickair7777

You guys are all worked up (over a non-existent hypothetical), but tell me exactly what's going to happen if you get denied an offline JS?

I'll tell you what's going to happen: you won't get on the plane. If you complain to your JS committee they'll "look into and get back to you"... final answer will be there's nothing they can do.

If you want to try to address this (non-existent hypothetical) situation you need to be talking to alpa national via your MEC.. nothing you say on APC is going to matter.

John Carr

^^^^^^^^^^^THIS

So, when does the code red get issued?

Grumpyaviator

All true, not until it actually happens and other pilots start “reciprocating“ will we see how it shakes out. I would think it could go to the union and the legal department to determine its enforceablity.