Natural Immunity vs Vaccine:
10-23-2021, 05:29 AM
#411
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FTFA:
Has anybody actually thought this??? Seems a lot like journalistic gaslighting.
They say previous infected should get vaccinated due to waning immunity from natural infection….but don’t address the reality that 16 months of natural immunity appears to be greater than two-dose vaccine immunity.
I’m pro-vaccine but the omissions on this topic damage scientific credibility.
The findings contradict the notion that recovering from COVID-19 will guarantee a lifetime of protection from the virus.
They say previous infected should get vaccinated due to waning immunity from natural infection….but don’t address the reality that 16 months of natural immunity appears to be greater than two-dose vaccine immunity.
I’m pro-vaccine but the omissions on this topic damage scientific credibility.
10-23-2021, 05:55 AM
#412
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP
FTFA:
Has anybody actually thought this??? Seems a lot like journalistic gaslighting.
They say previous infected should get vaccinated due to waning immunity from natural infection….but don’t address the reality that 16 months of natural immunity appears to be greater than two-dose vaccine immunity.
I’m pro-vaccine but the omissions on this topic damage scientific credibility.
Has anybody actually thought this??? Seems a lot like journalistic gaslighting.
They say previous infected should get vaccinated due to waning immunity from natural infection….but don’t address the reality that 16 months of natural immunity appears to be greater than two-dose vaccine immunity.
I’m pro-vaccine but the omissions on this topic damage scientific credibility.
Honestly it's still a novel virus that humanity has been dealing with for less than two years. They may not KNOW if it's the kind of virus that natural immunity can protect you from for many years, or if it's more like a common cold or flu that you'll experience every year.
I think we need to give science a little bit of grace on this one. They've been working at breakneck speed throughout the pandemic to try and offer the best public health advice they can given new data that emerges almost every day.
I'm pro vaccine too, but if it turns out that natural immunity confers a lifetime of immunity I would celebrate that too.
10-23-2021, 06:33 AM
#413
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My point is I have not seen ANYBODY make the claim that surviving COVID confers “lifetime immunity”…and I’ve seen some bat guano type stuff on this topic.
To assert that such belief is in any way widespread is irresponsible.
To assert that such belief is in any way widespread is irresponsible.
10-23-2021, 07:33 AM
#414
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Originally Posted by skywatch
This is not a very scientific statement at all, it’s based on your view of vaccine effectiveness bent to fit your narrative. I could counter that likely the opposite is the case. The folks who were most afraid (and got vaccinated) are the ones that are still double masking in public; the ones that aren’t gettin vaccinated are done with all this nonsense and have gone back to normal life, as much as the government will let us.
There is still not a single RCT study that shows all the masking nonsense does anything anyway, and some RCT studies that show it doesn’t. (There are lots of observational studies that show either they do or don’t work, so plenty to cherry pick from there).
Likely the only effective mitigation is natural or vaccine immunity, and waning vaccine immunity is the culprit?
There is still not a single RCT study that shows all the masking nonsense does anything anyway, and some RCT studies that show it doesn’t. (There are lots of observational studies that show either they do or don’t work, so plenty to cherry pick from there).
Likely the only effective mitigation is natural or vaccine immunity, and waning vaccine immunity is the culprit?
10-23-2021, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
Honestly it's still a novel virus that humanity has been dealing with for less than two years. They may not KNOW if it's the kind of virus that natural immunity can protect you from for many years, or if it's more like a common cold or flu that you'll experience every year.
I think we need to give science a little bit of grace on this one. They've been working at breakneck speed throughout the pandemic to try and offer the best public health advice they can given new data that emerges almost every day.
I'm pro vaccine too, but if it turns out that natural immunity confers a lifetime of immunity I would celebrate that too.
I think we need to give science a little bit of grace on this one. They've been working at breakneck speed throughout the pandemic to try and offer the best public health advice they can given new data that emerges almost every day.
I'm pro vaccine too, but if it turns out that natural immunity confers a lifetime of immunity I would celebrate that too.
No grace will be given to talking “scientific” heads that cram their agendas down our throats and demand vaccination or your career.
10-23-2021, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Your argument isn’t with Rickair, it’s with Mr. Bayes. Sorry, but he’s been dead for 200 years.
10-24-2021, 07:19 AM
#417
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Originally Posted by skywatch
How does anything I said have anything to do with Bayes theorem?
10-25-2021, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by RI830
It think it’s important to say “give grace” to the men and women quietly work feverishly on the info that they receive.
No grace will be given to talking “scientific” heads that cram their agendas down our throats and demand vaccination or your career.
No grace will be given to talking “scientific” heads that cram their agendas down our throats and demand vaccination or your career.
10-25-2021, 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
There is something called Bayesian inference, it's used in almost all research now, as it is the only way to prove a hypothesis in most "science". It has completely destroyed science.
my real point was just an opposing view to the idea that the unvaccinated are more likely to distance and mask…amongst my observations it is the opposite. I know one double vaccinated and boosted 65 year old with zero health issues and a healthy BMI who still won’t leave the house unless absolutely necessary, and then it is double masked. Did a great job scaring her; all she talks about is variants now.
10-25-2021, 12:49 PM
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No entry for some "fully vaccinated" European
I'm posting this here because it relates to the natural immunity vs. vaccinated discussion.
As I have posted elsewhere on here a while ago, the EU considers a person that has recovered from COVID-19 and has subsequently received one dose of a two-shot vaccine such as Pfizer or Moderna fully vaccinated. As I had feared, and in line with what Canada already does, the US government does not intend to recognize these people as fully vaccinated. I am in exactly this situation as are millions more here in the EU. I'm not even sure if I can just get a booster shot now and be considered fully vaccinated in the US as the two initial shots normally can't be more than a few weeks to a couple of months apart. So as someone who has recovered, got a shot six months later and is thus considered fully vaccinated here in the EU I might have to get another two shots just to be allowed into the US? What a mess!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-19/new-u-s-travel-rules-bar-foreign-covid-survivors-with-one-shot
As I have posted elsewhere on here a while ago, the EU considers a person that has recovered from COVID-19 and has subsequently received one dose of a two-shot vaccine such as Pfizer or Moderna fully vaccinated. As I had feared, and in line with what Canada already does, the US government does not intend to recognize these people as fully vaccinated. I am in exactly this situation as are millions more here in the EU. I'm not even sure if I can just get a booster shot now and be considered fully vaccinated in the US as the two initial shots normally can't be more than a few weeks to a couple of months apart. So as someone who has recovered, got a shot six months later and is thus considered fully vaccinated here in the EU I might have to get another two shots just to be allowed into the US? What a mess!
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-19/new-u-s-travel-rules-bar-foreign-covid-survivors-with-one-shot
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