Natural Immunity vs Vaccine:
11-17-2021, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by av8or
Too wide….. Conspiracy would be that they created the pandemic in order to profit. But, the FDA and many political campaigns are partially funded by pharma. And do a lot of us think politicians and pharma funded agencies might capitalize on a pandemic in order to benefit the machine? 💯 we do. It’s not nearly as much what they DO say and advocate as much as what they ignore and won’t even discuss in an open/transparent way.
The pharmas stalk the halls of the Cannon, Ford, Longworth, O'neill and Rayburn spaces. You can find them similarly in the Hart, Russell and Dirksen spaces. They are everywhere, and they have a lot of $$$ behind them. Zap is naive to think this doesn't happen here in America. I'm telling him, it does. $34B is a lot of cheddar to slush around.
11-17-2021, 04:35 PM
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Ok, how do you get thousands of public employees & scientists to March in the same direction? If you can answer that, my logic/sanity button will become un-pressed.
have you ever tried to get 11 kids on a soccer field to do what we practiced? Ffs it’s ridiculous
have you ever tried to get 11 kids on a soccer field to do what we practiced? Ffs it’s ridiculous
11-17-2021, 04:58 PM
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"Follow the money" is a reliable axiom for a reason.
Upton Sinclair's quip about "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" also comes to mind. Infinitely so when discussing institutions who's funding depends on pleasing the paymasters. (Academia, public "servants", etc....they love the public fisc.)
Who profited from US Govs response to Covid over the past year? Who suffered? Who's making record profits?
Men are not angels. Everyone is tempted by money, status, and power. Government, the medical profession, even the military industrial complex; follow the Benjamins is an excellent starting point for the "WTF is going on"?
Upton Sinclair's quip about "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" also comes to mind. Infinitely so when discussing institutions who's funding depends on pleasing the paymasters. (Academia, public "servants", etc....they love the public fisc.)
Who profited from US Govs response to Covid over the past year? Who suffered? Who's making record profits?
Men are not angels. Everyone is tempted by money, status, and power. Government, the medical profession, even the military industrial complex; follow the Benjamins is an excellent starting point for the "WTF is going on"?
Last edited by DeltaboundRedux; 11-17-2021 at 05:15 PM.
11-17-2021, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DeltaboundRedux
"Follow the money" is a reliable axiom for a reason.
Upton Sinclair's quip about "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" also comes to mind. Infinitely so when discussing institutions who's funding depends on pleasing the paymasters. (Academia, public "servants", etc....they love the public fisc.)
Who profited from US Govs response to Covid over the past year? Who suffered? Who's making record profits?
Men are not angels. Everyone is tempted by money, status, and power. Government, the medical profession, even the military industrial complex; follow the Benjamins is an excellent starting point for the "WTF is going on"?
Upton Sinclair's quip about "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" also comes to mind. Infinitely so when discussing institutions who's funding depends on pleasing the paymasters. (Academia, public "servants", etc....they love the public fisc.)
Who profited from US Govs response to Covid over the past year? Who suffered? Who's making record profits?
Men are not angels. Everyone is tempted by money, status, and power. Government, the medical profession, even the military industrial complex; follow the Benjamins is an excellent starting point for the "WTF is going on"?
11-17-2021, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
Ok, how do you get thousands of public employees & scientists to March in the same direction? If you can answer that, my logic/sanity button will become un-pressed.
have you ever tried to get 11 kids on a soccer field to do what we practiced? Ffs it’s ridiculous
have you ever tried to get 11 kids on a soccer field to do what we practiced? Ffs it’s ridiculous
https://money.cnn.com/2016/09/08/inv...ees/index.html
11-17-2021, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
So of thousands and thousands of government officials and scientists, no one has the secret email? The inspector gadget burn notice? You don’t think one of them would flip for the “Benjamin’s” as you put it? To coincide with you play on greed, I would counter you are making my point. One would make a financial windfall by being able to provide the evidence of which you speak to cnn or fox. Gosh I guess in hindsight I should say thank you for supporting my argument. I’m indebted to you good sir
Anyway…. Not that this will matter…. Follow the money….
11-17-2021, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ClncClarence
Your question is invalid because the scientific community never claimed that the vaccine ‘prevents’ hospitalization or death. This is what the CDC says about the vaccine.
I’m assuming you can understand the difference between ‘helps protect against’ and ‘prevents’.
You can build strawman arguments all day but it doesn’t make you sound intelligent or advance your position.
I’m assuming you can understand the difference between ‘helps protect against’ and ‘prevents’.
You can build strawman arguments all day but it doesn’t make you sound intelligent or advance your position.
11-17-2021, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Nvrgofullretard
you are rewriting history now to suit your narrative. He specifically used his example to say that a few scientists had it right when a bunch of others didn’t. It was the other way around. I’m sorry but making **** up won’t change history. Maybe find another example and it’ll prove your point, just not this one
but fine, if you don’t like this example, google Ignaz Semmelweis and see what the prevailing overwhelming “science” thought of him and his crazy ideas.
Last edited by skywatch; 11-18-2021 at 12:11 AM.
11-18-2021, 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan
You assume malicious intent. Which I totally get. It's been an awful couple of years. I can completely understand why someone might assume that this was all done intentionally for some nefarious purpose.
Personally, I don't feel that way.
I assume scientific method. As new data became available they were obliged to change the guidance. Not malicious.
Personally, I don't feel that way.
I assume scientific method. As new data became available they were obliged to change the guidance. Not malicious.
11-18-2021, 06:44 AM
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An excerpt:
It important to note that antibodies are incomplete predictors of protection. After vaccination or infection, many mechanisms of immunity exist within an individual not only at the antibody level, but also at the level of cellular immunity.
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16 It is known that SARS-CoV-2 infection induces specific and durable T-cell immunity, which has multiple SARS-CoV-2 spike protein targets (or epitopes) as well as other SARS-CoV-2 protein targets. The broad diversity of T-cell viral recognition serves to enhance protection to SARS-CoV-2 variants,
15 with recognition of at least the alpha (B.1.1.7), beta (B.1.351), and gamma (P.1) variants of SARS-CoV-2.
17Researchers have also found that people who recovered from SARS-CoV infection in 2002–03 continue to have memory T cells that are reactive to SARS-CoV proteins 17 years after that outbreak.
15 Additionally, a memory B-cell response to SARS-CoV-2 evolves between 1·3 and 6·2 months after infection, which is consistent with longer-term protection.
18
Some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination.
6,
19 In fact, one study found that previous COVID-19 was associated with increased adverse events following vaccination with the Comirnaty BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech).
20 In addition, there are rare reports of serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination.
21 In Switzerland, residents who can prove they have recovered from a SARS-CoV-2 infection through a positive PCR or other test in the past 12 months are considered equally protected as those who have been fully vaccinated.
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14,
15,
16 It is known that SARS-CoV-2 infection induces specific and durable T-cell immunity, which has multiple SARS-CoV-2 spike protein targets (or epitopes) as well as other SARS-CoV-2 protein targets. The broad diversity of T-cell viral recognition serves to enhance protection to SARS-CoV-2 variants,
15 with recognition of at least the alpha (B.1.1.7), beta (B.1.351), and gamma (P.1) variants of SARS-CoV-2.
17Researchers have also found that people who recovered from SARS-CoV infection in 2002–03 continue to have memory T cells that are reactive to SARS-CoV proteins 17 years after that outbreak.
15 Additionally, a memory B-cell response to SARS-CoV-2 evolves between 1·3 and 6·2 months after infection, which is consistent with longer-term protection.
18
Some people who have recovered from COVID-19 might not benefit from COVID-19 vaccination.
6,
19 In fact, one study found that previous COVID-19 was associated with increased adverse events following vaccination with the Comirnaty BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine (Pfizer–BioNTech).
20 In addition, there are rare reports of serious adverse events following COVID-19 vaccination.
21 In Switzerland, residents who can prove they have recovered from a SARS-CoV-2 infection through a positive PCR or other test in the past 12 months are considered equally protected as those who have been fully vaccinated.
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Last edited by Excargodog; 11-18-2021 at 06:57 AM.
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