rickair7777

It's been clear for many months that J&J had a slightly elevated risk for a specific demographic. Also it's efficacy isn't as good as mRNA, and that may be aggravated with variants. It could still potentially be useful for people who should not take an mRNA, or it may be preferred by people in the myocarditis demographic.

Safety stats for all three US vaccines are still within established tolerances, although declining efficacy can change the balance of the risk/benefit equation.

RI830

https://www.foxbusiness.com/healthca...id-19-shot-cdc

I guess these will be disregarded as patently false since they came to the CDC via VAERS.

Drum

Absolutely, and don't forget why VAERS was set up to begin with. Somehow that is lost to these people.

Natural immunity trumps the jabs. Period.


Since my airline has demanded weekly testing (I test before every trip so I tend to do it more than weekly plus I can show it to the nervous captain when I tell him I'm not jabbed; but look, see, negative test yesterday )


I started on 12 Sept. I've tested 26 times since. All negative. I've used the PCR -RT at CVS the one from Lab Corp and the other one our airline approves. So different tests all coming back negative. I'm not jabbed. I had the coof over a year ago and I'm still having no issues whatsoever.

I'm home on "quarantine " as the guy I just flew with tested positive. He is jabbed. Twice + booster. I thank him for getting his test when he didn't feel right - the correct thing to do. I just got my PCR back from CVS and its negative - again.

You can take your vax passes, COVID- cards and mandatory jabs and stick them somewhere I won't mention. Casting natural immunity aside is not science.

This is gotten way too far out of control.

Thankfully people are waking up to the insanity and are starting to see the twisted lies that have been told to them over the past 18 months.

Gordie H

…all good points

RI830

https://www.foxnews.com/health/low-d...to-5-year-oldsKeep pushing the jab!

MongoC5

Well this sounds to me the testing is working and they’re using the data to make science based decisions for approval vs just a guessing game which seems what they more or less did with adults (understandably so at the time with operation warp speed)… As a parent with kids in this age group I respect their openness to sharing why they are doing things and what the results they’ve gotten vs hiding behind a curtain and treating us more like puppets. That being said I’m in no rush to jab my kid, but having the option out there for people who do is important at the end of the day. I think we forget when looking back, as kids most vaccines were in two-three doses, so it honestly doesn’t surprise me this would be a three dose product.

Mongo

rickair7777

It appears that the CDC already validated these events. But nothing we didn't already know about. "The cases had a mild clinical course"

Out of 7 million vaccinations.

rickair7777

It was about a year. As you point out, it WAS recognized, but not handled properly.

Disingenuous. Myocarditis very clearly occurs very shortly after vaccination. And the prevalence is pretty clear, as is the risk group.

I'm sure the efficacy is still 95% against covid 1.0. What duration was promised? There's no reason to think it would be less than a year or so.

Due to risk vs. benefit against new variants (it sucks vs newer variants). The clotting issue is exceptionally rare and well within normal safety tolerances for vaccines.

Disingenuous, again. The BIOLOGICAL problem associated with that vaccine was present very soon after vaccination. The problem, again, was management.

The covid vaccine have been rather heavily scrutinized.

If your biology argument is based on the health-management missteps of a third-world country, you're losing. I'm not discussing the third world here, although that could be a different conversation for covid as well.

Mesabah

The J&J is still the superior shot if you are forced to take it, as the sub-optimal antibodies don’t linger like the other two.

skywatch

Rick, we are kind of arguing the same thing. Our opinions diverge in that I feel you fail to recognize the tremendous pressure on all involved to recognize these vaccines as “safe and effective” and the incentives to ignore/downplay warning signs that might be problematic, much like they did in the Philippines.

I believe that IF there are problems with the vaccines, they did appear soon after the program started, and yes, there are lots of reputable doctors and researchers sounding alarm bells (like it appears we might finally stop using J&J now) that may be right or wrong, but are they are being shouted down by politicians, and politician/doctors intent and focused on spreading the you must get vaccinated message at any cost.