Originally Posted by skywatch

Using your idiotic “logic” the vaccines don’t work ! because 4000+ people who have taken them have died or gotten very sick! Oh no!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...nfections/amp/

Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

The reason why such a small country as Israel gets attention on Covid is because:

A) They are far more transparent with their data than most countries

B) They have one of the highest adult vaccination levels in the world

C) Virtually all the vaccinations administered were Pfizer

D) The Pfizer vaccinations were administered on the correct schedule as directed by the manufacturer

This provides a unique data set to analyze. And guess what? The data is a little troubling. It is becoming clear that vaccination does not prevent contraction of the virus. It does not prevent transmission of the virus. And the much vaunted "reduction in hospitalization or death" fades VERY quickly, hence the headlong rush to boosters.

The notion that this is now a "pandemic of the unvaccinated" is just another narrative designed to browbeat, frighten, or shame the hesitant into complying.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Also mRNA is cleaner and more targeted from a biochem perspective, so more of a scapel than the blunt instrument of the older stuff... lower odds of adverse effects.

Originally Posted by Excargodog

I recall it was only about 18 months ago we were all discussing how slowly this mutated compared to influenza. I think that idea is likely out the window now. The initial virus may have mutated slowly but some of the variants appear to be very mutation prone.


https://www.jpost.com/health-science...-so-far-678011

That may argue for a more multivalent approach as a minimum in future vaccines, and possibly for the return to either a killed virus or attenuated virus vaccine approach that would provide a ‘shotgun’ rather than a rapier approach to defeating invading virus. You would obtain the advantages (and likely some of the disadvantages p) of a broader immune coverage against variants and hopefully a longer duration of immunity to reinfection.


https://www.pnas.org/content/118/29/e2102775118

Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

This is the inherent advantage of natural immunity from previous infection and recovery. The T and B cells recognize the full spectrum of proteins in the SARS Cov-2 virus and reanimate antibodies to fight it. Not foolproof but it would appear natural immunity is more effective and longer lasting than the current vaccines. And yet, none of the alphabets will admit the value of naturally acquired immunity.

Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

This is the inherent advantage of natural immunity from previous infection and recovery. The T and B cells recognize the full spectrum of proteins in the SARS Cov-2 virus and reanimate antibodies to fight it. Not foolproof but it would appear natural immunity is more effective and longer lasting than the current vaccines. And yet, none of the alphabets will admit the value of naturally acquired immunity.

Originally Posted by Tfork

It isn't hard to use a search engine to find contra-evidence, as we've all done.

https://www.fox16.com/amazing/amazin...is-not-enough/

Just maybe the alphabets know a thing or two about vaccines and immunity.

Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

Mainstream pablum from the intellectually dishonest to the incurious sheep.

Originally Posted by Tfork

Sheep, really? When all you anti-vaxers spew the same talking points? Pot. meet kettle.