Ethics of COVID immunization in kids
09-10-2021, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
In his latest interview, he says they stand ready to deploy an update for the variants in as little as 90 days. Does anyone think they aren't going to provide a yearly prime/booster update? That's an annual shot dose, variant primer dose, and then the booster dose 6-8 months later.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/health...9-flu-vaccine/
The end game isn't stamping it out, it's finding the balance point where we can live with. Since it's more political than the flu, that balance point might be different than for the flu although eventually it should all settle out. At some point covid hysteria won't be fun and exciting any more.
09-10-2021, 06:52 AM
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Article on FDA requirements for approval for kids...
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-09-10/
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-09-10/
09-10-2021, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Article on FDA requirements for approval for kids...
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-09-10/
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-09-10/
Deaths in children with laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection have been a reportable disease in the United States since 2004; 199 deaths were reported for the 2019-20 season as of May 27, 2021. However, influenza-associated pediatric deaths are likely under-reported, as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection may have been tested for flu (10,11). Therefore, we used a mathematical model to estimate the total number of pediatric deaths based on hospitalization rates and the frequency of death in and out of the hospital using death certificates. We estimate that at least 434 deaths associated with influenza occurred during the 2019-2020 season among children aged <18 years.
Conclusion
During the 2019-2020 influenza season, CDC estimates that influenza was associated with 38 million illnesses, 18 million medical visits, 405,000 hospitalizations, and 22,000 deaths. The influenza burden was higher in young children (0-4 years) and adults (18-49 years) compared with a recent season with the 2017-2018 season, a recent season with high severity, and provides evidence to support how severe seasonal influenza can be at any agehttps://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2019-2020.html
09-10-2021, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Article on FDA requirements for approval for kids...
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-09-10/
https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...ds-2021-09-10/
09-10-2021, 11:19 AM
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But therein lies the problem.
If the national standard is to COMPEL the unvaccinated to get immunized for the good of the public as a whole, these kids at no real risk of dying themselves ought to be COMPELLED to get their vaccinations. Is that a road we want to go down? Because every person living with immune related comorbidities - like being HIV positive - is a far greater threat to getting and amplifying the virus and creating new variants than any of these kids.
09-10-2021, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Flydafe
The carrot moves often. Was reading about the Guam restricted segment. Guam has an 80% vaccinated rate and is still having issues with the local paper stating that 40% of their hospitalizations being vaccinated people.
Here on the mainland there is a theoretical 70% herd immunity campaign.. in Guam that did not happen so now the governor is threatening to lock it all down again. They’ve already instituted jabbed only activities like in person eating and bars..etc. The schools are shut down only doing online learning. It’s a moving goal post. No way to score a win.
Here on the mainland there is a theoretical 70% herd immunity campaign.. in Guam that did not happen so now the governor is threatening to lock it all down again. They’ve already instituted jabbed only activities like in person eating and bars..etc. The schools are shut down only doing online learning. It’s a moving goal post. No way to score a win.
#maths
09-10-2021, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Let’s say that everyone in Guam was 100% vaccinated. That would mean that any Covid hospitalizations would consist 100% of vaccinated people, yes? But just because 100% of the hospitalizations in this example are of vaxed people, that doesn’t mean that the actual number of hospitalizations is higher than if the population were unvaxed.
#maths
#maths
In the history of the world we have eliminated one (1) human disease through vaccination, and that one was smallpox whose vaccine conferred decades long immunity to its recipients. And the campaign to eliminate smallpox took 180;years to come to fruition even with that far more long lived vaccine immunity.
09-10-2021, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Let’s say that everyone in Guam was 100% vaccinated. That would mean that any Covid hospitalizations would consist 100% of vaccinated people, yes? But just because 100% of the hospitalizations in this example are of vaxed people, that doesn’t mean that the actual number of hospitalizations is higher than if the population were unvaxed.
#maths
#maths
09-10-2021, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
It's an island. Which means people will always come in and go out, and not all those will be vaxxed. Same for the 48 continental states for that matter. Though I will say, if we can mandate vaccines for employees > 100 people, we should be forcing vaccines to anyone from the Mexican border coming in above age 12 and any Afghani above age 12 as well, as a condition of entering the United States in hopes of having a new life here.
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