Brave pilot speaks up for cowing colleagues
01-12-2022, 06:44 AM
#101
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Originally Posted by Thedude86
1. Preprints are submissions for peer review. If you want a peer reviewed study it doesn’t exist yet. Preprints are the best thing we have now. If you want peer reviewed you’ll have to wait until the year 2076 when the FDA is finally willing to show how safe and effective the vaccines are. Also, this isn’t an opinion study. It’s based on collected data. It’s a data analysis. And this confirms what England, Germany, and Israel data show as well. If this data analysis doesn’t get accepted for peer review that would be like saying there’s not enough evidence to prove 2+2=4. When omicron first originated in South Africa… it migrated to countries that require you to be vaccinated to enter. How else do you think the virus got there?
2. CDC data is irrelevant because they’re finally admitting many of Covid hospitalizations are not hospitalized for Covid. If you go to the hospital for a broken leg, and you’re unvaxxed… they test you for Covid. If you test positive, you get counted as a Covid hospitalization. If you go in for a broken leg and you’re vaccinated… you don’t get tested. Some hospitals test regardless of vaccination status, but most do not unless that’s changed within the last 3 months. Even the governor of New York admitted a few days ago 42% of Covid hospitalizations were people in the hospital for reasons totally unrelated to Covid. No one knows what the true numbers are for vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. The CDC is not interested in any reliable data. They admitted they gave advice on school closings based on pressure from the teachers unions. They recently changed quarantine requirements based on requests from Delta’s CEO. They’ve recently admitted themselves many of the Covid hospitalizations are not Covid related. I’m more likely to see Bigfoot this year than for any CDC data to be reliable, accurate, and unbiased. Even CNN recently has said CDC is now a joke’s punchline. CNN’s Jake Tapper and Sanjay Gupta said just yesterday that the CDC hospitalization data is not accurate.
Again, this is one study you don’t want to believe. There are numerous others from several European countries and Israel. If the vaccines are effective at reducing hospitalizations why is there a need for boosters then? If they’re effective towards omicron why is Denmark changing booster durations to every 4 months instead 6? Why did Pfizer’s own CEO say just yesterday that two doses of his vaccine has little effect IF ANY (his own words) on omicron?
2. CDC data is irrelevant because they’re finally admitting many of Covid hospitalizations are not hospitalized for Covid. If you go to the hospital for a broken leg, and you’re unvaxxed… they test you for Covid. If you test positive, you get counted as a Covid hospitalization. If you go in for a broken leg and you’re vaccinated… you don’t get tested. Some hospitals test regardless of vaccination status, but most do not unless that’s changed within the last 3 months. Even the governor of New York admitted a few days ago 42% of Covid hospitalizations were people in the hospital for reasons totally unrelated to Covid. No one knows what the true numbers are for vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. The CDC is not interested in any reliable data. They admitted they gave advice on school closings based on pressure from the teachers unions. They recently changed quarantine requirements based on requests from Delta’s CEO. They’ve recently admitted themselves many of the Covid hospitalizations are not Covid related. I’m more likely to see Bigfoot this year than for any CDC data to be reliable, accurate, and unbiased. Even CNN recently has said CDC is now a joke’s punchline. CNN’s Jake Tapper and Sanjay Gupta said just yesterday that the CDC hospitalization data is not accurate.
Again, this is one study you don’t want to believe. There are numerous others from several European countries and Israel. If the vaccines are effective at reducing hospitalizations why is there a need for boosters then? If they’re effective towards omicron why is Denmark changing booster durations to every 4 months instead 6? Why did Pfizer’s own CEO say just yesterday that two doses of his vaccine has little effect IF ANY (his own words) on omicron?
Also, that article both supported and went completely against your point of view. The overall conclusion was that vaccine effectiveness, to Omicron specifically, wanes over time, but vaccines are still very effective for several months, so there should be even more boosters. The math model predicts that eventually, the vaccinated people would transition from being less likely to get the virus, to more likely to get the virus, than someone whose unvaccinated.
However, there were numerous issues with the way the data was gathered and interpreted, as pointed out by the PHD in the number 1 comment, which I copy-pasted. Overall, I think the data issues are a huge red flag, and I won't take the article seriously for any conclusion until after it has survived a peer review from people who understand epidemiology way more than I do. It likely will not, and will fade into oblivion, as many garbage studies do.
Also, the CDC data indicates the risk of dying from COVID is 20x higher for unvaccinated than for someone with a booster and 14x higher than someone with 2 shots.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...vaccine-status
Make sure to click on the "Deaths" bubble because it defaults to "cases." I'd also recommend selecting "Age Group" and "Vaccine Product."
I'm not saying nobody published 'COVID hospitalizations' by including everyone who tested positive at a hospital, when hospitals had mandatory testing and lots of people were asymptomatic, but that doesn't mean the data I've referenced above suddenly doesn't exist anymore, either.
01-12-2022, 08:01 AM
#102
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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine
It's like you are purposefully trying to get the facts wrong.
The goal of vaccination campaigns are to protect those that can't be vaccinated and to reduce the likelihood of a worse variant from developing.
While vaccinated people can still get infected, the vast majority won't. Of the few that do get breakthrough cases, they have milder and shorter cases and therefore have a much smaller risk of transmitting the virus.
The goal of vaccination campaigns are to protect those that can't be vaccinated and to reduce the likelihood of a worse variant from developing.
While vaccinated people can still get infected, the vast majority won't. Of the few that do get breakthrough cases, they have milder and shorter cases and therefore have a much smaller risk of transmitting the virus.
Mandatory Vaccines primarily for protecting those who can’t get the vaccine.
Also, getting the vaccine (mandatory or otherwise) protects the population from more dangerous variants developing.
Vaccine boosters hep prevent more dangerous variants
It’s science. It’s right there in black and white. To not get the vaccine and all the boosters Tony Science says get, is selfish! YOU’RE the reason, as Justice Sotomayor put it, "We have over 100,000 children, which we've never had before, in serious condition, and many on ventilators." Those are just the facts!!! Come on man! She’s a Supreme Court Justice!! That means she knows things you can’t even comprehend!!!
Plus, if you disagree, and loose your job/career/income… that’s on YOU! Consequences bro!!!
Honestly anyone who might selfishly question this just to protect your “freedumbs” (btw, I love the creativity behind this word, where critical thinking, personal agency, questioning authority is now considered anti intellectual…. Bravo!!!) …. probably has no business flying airplanes anyway. The most comforting thing about science and the scientific method, is that you never have to question it. That’s what scientists are for! And you can take that to the bank!! The CEO at Pfizer does!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
01-14-2022, 02:15 PM
#103
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Originally Posted by Duffman
Peer reviews take about 1-2 months. If you want to jump the gun, go ahead, I won't stop you. But I am going to take the time to warn others in a public forum.
Also, that article both supported and went completely against your point of view. The overall conclusion was that vaccine effectiveness, to Omicron specifically, wanes over time, but vaccines are still very effective for several months, so there should be even more boosters. The math model predicts that eventually, the vaccinated people would transition from being less likely to get the virus, to more likely to get the virus, than someone whose unvaccinated.
However, there were numerous issues with the way the data was gathered and interpreted, as pointed out by the PHD in the number 1 comment, which I copy-pasted. Overall, I think the data issues are a huge red flag, and I won't take the article seriously for any conclusion until after it has survived a peer review from people who understand epidemiology way more than I do. It likely will not, and will fade into oblivion, as many garbage studies do.
Also, the CDC data indicates the risk of dying from COVID is 20x higher for unvaccinated than for someone with a booster and 14x higher than someone with 2 shots.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...vaccine-status
Make sure to click on the "Deaths" bubble because it defaults to "cases." I'd also recommend selecting "Age Group" and "Vaccine Product."
I'm not saying nobody published 'COVID hospitalizations' by including everyone who tested positive at a hospital, when hospitals had mandatory testing and lots of people were asymptomatic, but that doesn't mean the data I've referenced above suddenly doesn't exist anymore, either.
Also, that article both supported and went completely against your point of view. The overall conclusion was that vaccine effectiveness, to Omicron specifically, wanes over time, but vaccines are still very effective for several months, so there should be even more boosters. The math model predicts that eventually, the vaccinated people would transition from being less likely to get the virus, to more likely to get the virus, than someone whose unvaccinated.
However, there were numerous issues with the way the data was gathered and interpreted, as pointed out by the PHD in the number 1 comment, which I copy-pasted. Overall, I think the data issues are a huge red flag, and I won't take the article seriously for any conclusion until after it has survived a peer review from people who understand epidemiology way more than I do. It likely will not, and will fade into oblivion, as many garbage studies do.
Also, the CDC data indicates the risk of dying from COVID is 20x higher for unvaccinated than for someone with a booster and 14x higher than someone with 2 shots.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...vaccine-status
Make sure to click on the "Deaths" bubble because it defaults to "cases." I'd also recommend selecting "Age Group" and "Vaccine Product."
I'm not saying nobody published 'COVID hospitalizations' by including everyone who tested positive at a hospital, when hospitals had mandatory testing and lots of people were asymptomatic, but that doesn't mean the data I've referenced above suddenly doesn't exist anymore, either.
1. This is one data sample. Even if this is wrong there are still several other countries reporting the same thing. Along with Israel, European scientists are now warning that too many shots could weaken your immune system. If Pfizer’s own CEO says the first 2 doses of the vaccines are ineffective and there’s virtually no difference in the amount of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed getting omicron…. Who do you think stands a better chance at fighting any disease? A person with a strong or average immune system or someone with a weakened immune system?
2. Again, your CDC is unreliable. The CDC has finally started to admit that there are large numbers of hospitalizations that aren’t actually related to Covid. Even CNN is calling out the CDC now. It’s been a fact that they’ve been long counting deaths in a similar manner. In October there were already more Covid deaths in 2021 than there was in 2020 when a grand total of zero people were vaccinated. So until the CDC actually releases the true numbers of Covid hospitalizations and deaths related to Covid like they claim they’re going to… their 14x this and 20x that is extremely misleading and unreliable. On top of that, those numbers are based on the first 1-4 months before the vaccines effectiveness drops off a cliff. Also, I will agree the vaccines were more effective with delta. But 95% of new cases are omicron. Take a vaccine that has almost no effectiveness against the omicron variant and someone with a weakened immune system and what do you get?
3. Speaking of age group… you should look up the total deaths of 0-17 year olds for Covid on the CDC’s website for the entire 2 years this has been going on. Then look up the same age group for Flu deaths for just the 6 month 2014/2015 flu season and every flu season after that and then explain to me how it makes sense to mandate Covid vaccines for kids but not give an eff about the flu vaccine.
