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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak
Saying DPA helped us get a contract is like saying a flight attendant asking 5 times, "Did you call the hotel yet?" gets the van there sooner.
Exactly. All the world is a critic.

DALPA led the airline piloting profession through and out of the lost decade with adult leadership. Just look at the data/pay rates not the anecdotal nonsense. The Delta pilots "no" vote was also critical in United getting our deal, Delta's followup and United's me too.

DPA is, was and always has been nothing but a joke just like UPA and the rest of the rump groups.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by formerdal
He didn't quote you....and everything Sailing mentioned was factual.
yep. sailing has all the facts. they might be completely wrong facts, but none the less.....sailing has'em all.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by iceman49
There should be an accounting of the money received, in the spirit of transparency.
just wondering if any of that donated money is yours? or are you losing sleep over what other people choose to do with their money?

would you support a similar exercise with alpa national? Because to get that kind of info...you have to make an appointment, travel to HQ, sit in a room with no recording devices, under the observation of a monitor....and THEN you can see what your money is being spent on..
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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:47 AM
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Never paid a dime to DPA or sent in a card. At times I felt DPA had it's place in keeping Alpa looking over its shoulder, worried it might lose the Big D's dues... a certain big hit to Alpa National. But in the end I never thought DPA would ever get enough cards. If they did and tried to usurp Alpa, would fail.

Now I have no interest (even less than before) and wish they would just go away. We are better off with Alpa and (gasp) Alpa National. Our fight for better contracts is mostly up to us. But our fight for a career is a fight we have to wage on Cap Hill. Through our fellow Alpa represented airlines and the PAC we have an uphill battle on The Hill.

With that in mind, DPA lurking around is not going to help us on either front. As we showed last year by voting down the Donatelli Turd, we can make progress with Alpa if only we show unity. We can do much better in the future, but DPA's pipe dream was blown up by Alpa last year.

It's time for DPA to hit the road. Throw a big party or give it to a conservative charity... either way, just go away. Your time was over a long time ago.

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Old 03-03-2017 | 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Flytolive
Exactly. All the world is a critic.

DALPA led the airline piloting profession through and out of the lost decade with adult leadership. Just look at the data/pay rates not the anecdotal nonsense. The Delta pilots "no" vote was also critical in United getting our deal, Delta's followup and United's me too.

DPA is, was and always has been nothing but a joke just like UPA and the rest of the rump groups.
Spot on....
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Old 03-03-2017 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tailhookah
Never paid a dime to DPA or sent in a card. At times I felt DPA had it's place in keeping Alpa looking over its shoulder, worried it might lose the Big D's dues... a certain big hit to Alpa National. But in the end I never thought DPA would ever get enough cards. If they did and tried to usurp Alpa, would fail.

Now I have no interest (even less than before) and wish they would just go away. We are better off with Alpa and (gasp) Alpa National. Our fight for better contracts is mostly up to us. But our fight for a career is a fight we have to wage on Cap Hill. Through our fellow Alpa represented airlines and the PAC we have an uphill battle on The Hill.

With that in mind, DPA lurking around is not going to help us on either front. As we showed last year by voting down the Donatelli Turd, we can make progress with Alpa if only we show unity. We can do much better in the future, but DPA's pipe dream was blown up by Alpa last year.

It's time for DPA to hit the road. Throw a big party or give it to a conservative charity... either way, just go away. Your time was over a long time ago.

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Well said...
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Old 03-03-2017 | 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
just wondering if any of that donated money is yours? or are you losing sleep over what other people choose to do with their money?

would you support a similar exercise with alpa national? Because to get that kind of info...you have to make an appointment, travel to HQ, sit in a room with no recording devices, under the observation of a monitor....and THEN you can see what your money is being spent on..
None of my money went to DPA, I do not care what other people do with their money, DPA said they wanted transparency...so they should provide it.
ALPA member for several years (30+), 6 airlines later, 4 ALPA, 1 Foreign (no union), 1 "ops group" that eventually went ALPA. For all its issues, still better than no union or an in house.
If you support change than run for office, DPA should have more than enough members to control the majority of the bases if the choose. ALPA is only as good as its members.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 02:09 PM
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so since alpa policy is to conduct business and fiscal affairs with complete obscurity and concealment from membership that makes it A-ok with you?

got it.

if you really don't care what other people do with their money....what was the point of your post? Am I missing the screaming mob of those who donated money who feel short changed on the promised transparency?

apparent the only one who does...is you. who contributed not a single cent.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
so since alpa policy is to conduct business and fiscal affairs with complete obscurity and concealment from membership that makes it A-ok with you?

got it.
Absolutely not.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 02:17 PM
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yet you proudly supported such corruption for 30+ years.

got it. again.
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