I think the intent was to make it a pain in the butt to do it, and to make pilots who tend to use a lot of sick leave subject to more scrutiny.

Yes. Exactly. We self-certify our medical fitness to fly. No doctor can tell you, "You're fine! Get out there and fly!" Instead, they will note on your EMR that you complained of having a "...raging bout of allergies ___ days ago, but now appears asymptomatic".

And for me, those visits cost $40. I will be reimbursed under 14.F.5. for the $40.

I'd go to a different doctor. My PCP happens to be a AME, and he understands the self-certification requirement for airmen...so the 4-minutes he sees me gets him $40 without having to get close to a sick person. Win-win.

See above.

Agree. I don't think they're managing sick leave very well. I get the impression the chief pilots are frustrated that they can't do much about it. The guidelines seem to be set by lawyers.

So, we get better sick leave accruals than our peers...and dumb management of it.

I don't have a PCP. Who's yours? $40 sounds great.

Right on! Agree 100%.

Your rep...sure. The FAA...why? You followed their reg. What's the problem? If somebody at the company orders you to fly sick, your call to the FAA might have some merit. Methinks nobody will do that.

Agree. In the case of not verifying a sick call when required by the PWA, you just won't get paid. But you were safe, and that's more important, which I agree with 100%.

Remember, you don't have to verify ANY sick calls! You just won't get paid for the missed flying.

Moral High Ground: Seized and held!

Are you sure? I thought you could be ordered to verify. 14.F.2.3.&4. all use the word required.

Ok, now I'm working without a net. The PWA says "...required to verify...", but I thought that referred to the ability to be paid from your sick bank.

It wouldn't be the first time I've been all wet. I blame Elijah Craig...

>> I will be reimbursed under 14.F.5. for the $40.<<

The way I read this, between 100-160, you have to verify (14 F 2).
---QHCP, you pay
---If DAL demands a Dr Note they pay.

>160, you still have to verify (14 F 3).
---Note must be from a Dr
---You pay.

Good Faith Basis is in 14 F 4 (referenced in 14 F 5, Below)

From 14 F 5 (emphasis added):

In the event the Company requires a doctor’s certificate for verification under Section 14 F. 2. or 4., a pilot may submit a reimbursement claim through DBMS for any reasonable expense incurred in obtaining such verification.

So the only way I see the company paying for verification required pursuant to 14 F 2 is if you FIRST verified with a QHCP note and DAL then decides they need a full blown Dr note. THEN, you get to go back to the doc, get a "real" note and get reimbursed. It looks like if you show up with a doc's note as the first step in a 14F2 verification, there's no provision for reimbursement.

What am I missing here?

Thanks for filling in the blanks,

CCN


EDIT--Add on:

>>Remember, you don't have to verify ANY sick calls! You just won't get paid for the missed flying.<<

So are you saying I can basically do a "pseudo-medical personal drop" by calling in sick for a trip and then not verifying and the ONLY consequence is I don't get paid? THAT'S AWESOME!! (but I bet that's not how it will work and instead you'll wind up getting in introduction to the progressive discipline system.);)

Elijah Craig wasn't sick a day in his life. Well, not doctor excuse "sick.";):cool::p

Dr. Dick Hirt.

(No kidding)

...and his office is on Virginia Avenue in Regina.

I've actually heard of him but thought he was retired. The city name isn't to far off if I remember right.

Well played! :)

Yup...Edina. He's still at it. Good guy.