The company expects a doctor to accept our word that we were sick 2 weeks ago, while they don't. The note and expense of the doctor visit is just there to push us to fly if we're marginally sick.

Well, the doctor is in the "sick" business, while the company isn't.

I don't think any of us see this as anything other than an attempt to create a hassle for us.

The company wanted tougher language to help them manage an issue they don't seem to have the stones to fix themselves. Kudos to our negotiators, even as we gripe about the language we ended up with.

Or for those who aren't really sick to think twice before "dialing a vacation"?

On a sort of related note, I found a new segment of the pilot group who are a little more vulnerable: Instructors. I went through CQ not long ago, and my sim partner had full-on, runny-eyes, hacking cough, sneezing, "don't touch me, I fell terrible!", crud. His logic was that he was too sick to fly passengers, but not to sick to give the flu to our instructor. I marinaded my right hand in Purell, and wiped everything down frequently. The poor IP, though.

Go buy a $6 bottle of NyQuil and show the receipt. Much cheaper

Take a picture of what you hawked up in the sink and send it in for verification.

I have had the exact opposite experience. The last two times I've gone to the sim at least one of the instructors came in with a box of kleenex and snotting all over the place.

Didn't we argue about all of this and vote on it a while back ;)

Umm, some of us didn't look at scope or sick leave. Most went directly to section 3.:rolleyes:

Actually the one I've noticed most recently is the double 23k recovery during IROPS. I know that I didn't have that pointed out to me.

Perhaps the pre-100 hour occcurances that required a doctor visit, and reporting such could alleviate the need to seek a doctor just for a "note." How many times under our recently-departed voluntary verification system did I have to slink into a care provider's office and grovel for a junior high-esque attendance excuse, after the obvious symptoms had dissipated? Many, many. And the doctors or PAs thought it was B.S. every time; mainly B.S. on behalf of our employer, not me, that I'm aware of.

Completely an debate for prior to signing a TA, obviously. One of a few reasons I voted no.

Many, Many? Are you OK? I verified once in my career after a surgery. I even got sick like most now and then and did not fly. You could take almost a month and a half off without verifying anything and still can.