I think* I see the calculation on my schedule. The part I wasn’t understanding is that on my 2nd GS, the PR time isn’t based on midnight. It’s based on my “new x-day” time.

In other words, unless you have the rare 1500 release that keeps the +9 math at midnight, you will get a new x-day start/end time that is the PR on the first GS.

Example:

On the first GS, you get a partial payback day (PR) added to your schedule based on midnight. So if release plus 9 puts you at 0800...you get 8 hours of additional/partial (PR) time.

Now 0800 to 0759 is your new x-day.

Any trip time violates 0800 to 0759 = full PB.

Now if you fly a 2nd GS and the release+9 time is 0300...they owe you not a PR of 0300 like the mec scenarios might lead you to believe. They use the same logic as the first GS, only your x-day isn’t based on midnight it’s based on 0800. Your added PR time would be +19:00hrs. So for any 0800-0759 flying = full PB. Plus a 19:00 PR added to the mix.

To add another layer of confusion...this 2nd GS math moves the previous 1GS math in a straight manner....so expect a different PR time once the multiple GS are added.

*Again, this is for GSs on straight x-days...no on call reserve days or flying on PB days involved*

If I’m wrong...I apologize. If I get corrected I’ll repost. But this jives with my schedule and the rules laid out in the mec memo.

I might be missing what you are saying, but you never get just a PR, or anything other than a full PB. Days off are either violated or not. If they are violated by even one minute, you are entitled to a full 24 hours off. After each GS you get 9 hours off, and then count how many x days were violated by the GS+9. Add that to the number of x days left in that block and multiply by 24. That’s when you go back on call and each “day” starts at the end of your 9 hours off. There is no distinction between x days and Pb days. They are all days off.

Ok...say from today I have 1 week block x-days with a PB / 0800 PR as the result of a GS.

Let’s say I fly a 2nd GS within my x-days (not near my PB/PR yet) and I receive 3 PBs as a result of flying within 0800-0759 times 3 days.

What happens to my 0800 PR from GS #1?

If you’re saying I add 3 PBs to the 0800 PR from GS1...that makes sense to me.

The MEC scenarios always change the PR to the next GS release...and I also understand those...but those scenarios aren’t occurring on an original 2ish week block of x-days.

Imagine getting a quick-green slip on Monday, my first X day in a string of 7…which are followed by four RES days. If that trip signs it at 0500 and releases at 1230, what should my schedule look like?

What if it released at 1700?

In the name of everything holy...
 

Let's try to really dumb this down...

1) For each X day / PB Day / PR period that gets interrupted, even by 1 minute, by flying the GS, you are owed 1 x PB "day"....it's not a calendar day, it's a 24 hour period.

2) When the rotation ends, add 9 hours and that becomes the start time for your new block of X days / PB days...your new "midnight" if you will. Again, these aren't calendar days...they are 24 hour periods that start at some time that isn't midnight. The PR is how the remaining hours get displayed since we are no longer talking about a full 24 hour period.

3) the ENTIRE block slides right

Formatting sucks, but here is:

1 X
2 X
3 X
4 X
5 X
6 X
7 X
8 R
9 R
10 R
11 R

one day GS from 0500 to 1230; off until 2130;

1 GS/PB starts @2130
2 PB
3 PB
4 PB
5 PB
6 PB
7 PB
8 PR ending at 2130
9 R
10 R
11 R

All 7 of these days go from 2130 to 2130.

They frequently will just code it like this:

1 GS/PB starts @2130
2 X
3 X
4 X
5 X
6 X
7 X
8 PR ending at 2130
9 R
10 R
11 R

This is how future schedulers get confused and mess up the calculations. But the PWA and the ALPA examples all show that the X days are all replaced by PB days with the same start time.

Your scenario should not happen because when you had the first GS that gave you the PB and 0800 PR, all of the X days should have shifted to be days that also start/end at 0800.

When you have a subsequent GS, you get 24 hours for each 0800-0800 period that was interrupted. Remaining days are added to that and everything is shifted again to 9 hours after block in from the second GS.

Fellas, I’m slow on the uptake...but I think I understand all...if...everything always moves right. Can I say that? Meaning I add PBs as you’ve described...then I establish a new x-day (PR time) based on GS2 release +9...moving right from whatever previous PR time I might have had?

Different but related question: after filling up on reserve, are you eligible for GS on remaining RES days in the bid period? Pay would be above guarantee obviously, but are PB days awarded in this case?


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No. You only get PB for interrupted X days.