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Old 05-01-2018, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid

The side stick has a trim switch.
LOLOMG.

Well, points for trying I guess.
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Old 05-01-2018, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
LOLOMG.

Well, points for trying I guess.
First, trim control buttons on the stick doesn't mean it can't auto trim. Why did airbus choose a big wheely thing anyhow?

Second, the auto trim on the 320 is a 20th century FBW interface. The convenience of having a computer trim for you is a huge trade-off. The pilot is completely disconnected from the haptic feedback of feeling the forces on the control surfaces. Much like the autothrust does with engine status compared to an auto throttle. Airbus had to revert to an uncommanded pitch down on landing in order to simulate ground effect, so pilots could routinely flare smoothly. Putting manual trim back into the equation allows the fly-by-wire system the capability to add higher level functions that produce artificial control feel. The end product is an intuitive hand flying experience, capable of being flown smoother, with every gust or sinker felt in your hand before you view it on the airspeed tape. Unfortunately that capability may require a few quick flips of the thumb on the trim switch during a stretch of hand flying. Having flown both FBW styles, I'd take control feel over auto-trim.
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Old 05-01-2018, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
First, trim control buttons on the stick doesn't mean it can't auto trim. Why did airbus choose a big wheely thing anyhow?

Second, the auto trim on the 320 is a 20th century FBW interface. The convenience of having a computer trim for you is a huge trade-off. The pilot is completely disconnected from the haptic feedback of feeling the forces on the control surfaces. Much like the autothrust does with engine status compared to an auto throttle. Airbus had to revert to an uncommanded pitch down on landing in order to simulate ground effect, so pilots could routinely flare smoothly. Putting manual trim back into the equation allows the fly-by-wire system the capability to add higher level functions that produce artificial control feel. The end product is an intuitive hand flying experience, capable of being flown smoother, with every gust or sinker felt in your hand before you view it on the airspeed tape. Unfortunately that capability may require a few quick flips of the thumb on the trim switch during a stretch of hand flying. Having flown both FBW styles, I'd take control feel over auto-trim.
For what it is, AB did a great job with control feel. It hand flies nicer than some more "real" planes including BA and MD.
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Old 05-02-2018, 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
For what it is, AB did a great job with control feel. It hand flies nicer than some more "real" planes including BA and MD.
I like what one captain said of the Airbus, it's the only plane that flies like the sim and the sim like the plane because theyre both fake.

Not that you do this in the plane but it is cool with the autopilot off that you could trombone the thrust lever from idle to toga back to idle and it compensates and remains nearly flat. Or toga on one engine and idle on the other and it compensates in roll and pitch to no more than 5 degrees ish bank. Alternate law it rolls over quicker than Jeff Sessions because it is an airplane.
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Not that you do this in the plane but it is cool with the autopilot off that you could trombone the thrust lever from idle to toga back to idle and it compensates and remains nearly flat. Or toga on one engine and idle on the other and it compensates in roll and pitch to no more than 5 degrees ish bank. Alternate law it rolls over quicker than Jeff Sessions because it is an airplane.
Well, not that anyone would ever forget to "match the doughnut" before clicking off the autothrust more than once
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Old 05-02-2018, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rbigred300
Can anyone speak to their impression of the cockpit? I'm guessing no one one here has actually been in the real cockpit, but perhaps the simulator. I've read through most of these pages but don't see much discussion it.

Aka, has anyone read anything about comfortability of the cockpit (noise, seats, space...). It seems like people have tons of bad things to say about the 73, and more positive things to say about the 320...so I'm wondering where the C-series is going to fit in along that spectrum.
It is 4/5ths the size of the 320 Flight Deck and has better ergonomics, except for the mouse/cursor, which I absolutely despise. Visibility is great and control "feel," at least in the simulator is much better than the Airbus (the 321 seems a little crisp'er and easier to make really fine adjustments on than the 320, my guess it that the 321 has something faster than an 80186 / 8088 chip doing the flying)

It is supposed to be quiet.
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Old 05-02-2018, 11:30 PM
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All valuable inputs from a pilots opinion of flying the plane...thanks!
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Old 05-03-2018, 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rbigred300
All valuable inputs from a pilots opinion of flying the plane...thanks!
You should be able to google the AvWeek article where the Cseries was flight tested. He compared it to the A320 in one section. Interesting reading.
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Old 05-03-2018, 06:26 AM
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A couple thousand hours using the cursor control on the Collins and in about two days, it was natural—easy and quick.

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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Well, not that anyone would ever forget to "match the doughnut" before clicking off the autothrust more than once
Who in their right mind turns it off before you are called names?
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