In SLC, YMMV...

 

Studying! (GASP!) Is easier at the hotel than at home.... I don't spend the entire time there, but sometimes, being away from home is necessary!

 

Gleaned this from another thread. It was in a request Delta is making to extend the use of the 88. I had been looking for an 'official' retirement schedule. Of course this will soon change I'm sure.

Ok so how do I add a pic here?

 

I'm sure we could get regional exemptions. NYC and ATL may be too high density and precision demanding by then, but DTW, MSP, CVG, IND and many other hubs and focus cities (and the vast majority of the outstations they serve) won't need to be anywhere near 0.0000000001nm precision or whatever the white paper fantasy is this week.

We had wobbly needle DC-9's a half decade or so ago. The 88/90 is way, way accurate enough for the overwhelming vast majority of markets in the country for many more years.

This should be a very easy exemption to get if we end up needing it. We'll just have to accept a few off limits markets. Big deal.

 

The ADSB requirement has nothing to do with navigation or approach requirements. It is essentially a new form of transponder that data links lots of info to controllers including aircraft position, altitude and airspeed as well as call sign. It is planned to replace radar at some point in the future. Most of Delta's fleet is not ADSB equipped so this is not unique to the MD. Delta just does not want to pay for the install on aircraft that will retire shortly. It appears that Delta is only purchasing ADSB out to meet the 2020 requirement which is sad. From a pilot standpoint all the cool stuff is on the ADSB in feature. ADSB in however is not required for the 2020 mandate.
The FAA has stated repeatedly that there will be no extensions on the 2020 deadline. I guess we will see in 2 years. It's a big cost for light aircraft owners because it requires a certified GPS to feed the aircraft position to the ADSB box. The actual ADSB unit is very low cost.

 

I think I saw an MD with ADSB on my last rotation...don't remember if it was an 88 or 90. Transponder looked a little different and there was an extra box aft of the acars. Didn't pay much attention to it, that's FO territory!

 

And USAF and USN aircraft are even further behind Delta in the ADS-B out game. Yeah, I heard 1 January 2020 while I was in the military and the POM slides never had ADSB as a priority that was high enough to be funded. So is the FAA going to stop all military aircraft from flying in 2020? Riiiight!

 

Well if that's all it is then what's the big deal? Even an expensive GA application is in the 4 figure range, or low 5 figures if they splurge. Even if you add a zero to that (gotta pay to play, obviously), it doesn't even move the needle in a decision of wether or not to retire an airliner.

 

I heard it's about 80,000 per aircraft. It certainly should not be more then that. You can get a light aircraft equipped for about 4000 now. Keep in mind that in a airliner situation there are software and integration issues.

 

they're on a few, I've flown a few trips with them fwiw