Get rid of Virtual Basing!
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What I'm seeing here is the company is framing the VB as being a work in progress, and it's the pilots who will need to do all the work! DALPA has a history of miscalculating pilot's desires, and of getting bamboozled in terms of contract language. I could see the next contract being a disaster if we take the VB concept into the next round of negotiations. I believe the concept could be used to gut our contract and work rules.
You are also going to significantly split the pilot group into the VB's and the hub pilots. That could be a wedge that the company will exploit in future negotiations. Just look at the comments on here...
Virtual Basing could work, it could be a great deal, if we had a more cohesive pilot group and a unified union that had a track record of making gains at the negotiating table. But we don't. The company will ask for a LOT to make it happen.
You are also going to significantly split the pilot group into the VB's and the hub pilots. That could be a wedge that the company will exploit in future negotiations. Just look at the comments on here...
Virtual Basing could work, it could be a great deal, if we had a more cohesive pilot group and a unified union that had a track record of making gains at the negotiating table. But we don't. The company will ask for a LOT to make it happen.
As far as gut our contract and work rules all I can say is black helicopters are everywhere! Regardless of how this test goes the company can open for anything they want in the next contract. Even if they open a couple of VB’s it has zero impact on the next round of negotiations. In fact if they are as bad as you post it works in our favor on the next contract.
VB’s, much ado about nothing!!!
#12
Read this months crew resources newsletter. It explains what I have been trying to say on here for the last two years. VB’s are of very limited use to the company and savings are minor.
As far as gut our contract and work rules all I can say is black helicopters are everywhere! Regardless of how this test goes the company can open for anything they want in the next contract. Even if they open a couple of VB’s it has zero impact on the next round of negotiations. In fact if they are as bad as you post it works in our favor on the next contract.
VB’s, much ado about nothing!!!
As far as gut our contract and work rules all I can say is black helicopters are everywhere! Regardless of how this test goes the company can open for anything they want in the next contract. Even if they open a couple of VB’s it has zero impact on the next round of negotiations. In fact if they are as bad as you post it works in our favor on the next contract.
VB’s, much ado about nothing!!!
If you lived in Boston, would you commute to a 767 job in NYC or drive in for a 320 job? What would you be willing to give up for that convenience? I don't want to find out the answer to that question, but I'm willing to bet DALPA already has a list!
#13
VBs will:
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
#14
VBs will:
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
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VBs will:
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
#18
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VBs will:
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
Divide the pilot group
Dilute the bid package, but you won't know what's gone
Reduce credit in trip rigs -- that's what you guys want correct, more work for the same pay?
Reduce the requirement for pilots on property
If they're much ado about nothing, then the company won't mind when they go away.
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So what’s the difference if the company opens an actual base instead of a virtual base? Does the anti-VB argument advocate a single mega-base (in ATL, I presume)? Does the pro-VB argument advocate a base in every ville and burg?
With only one category, isn’t CVG essentially a permanent VB?
With only one category, isn’t CVG essentially a permanent VB?
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So what’s the difference if the company opens an actual base instead of a virtual base? Does the anti-VB argument advocate a single mega-base (in ATL, I presume)? Does the pro-VB argument advocate a base in every ville and burg?
With only one category, isn’t CVG essentially a permanent VB?
With only one category, isn’t CVG essentially a permanent VB?
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