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Old 02-05-2018, 11:48 AM
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Is anyone else feel the same way I do? We need to get rid of it ASAP! The company is looking at many possible VBs and it will make the company more efficient, thus requiring less pilots. It’s time to get rid of it! Come on ALPA!
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This is interesting. My view of virtual basing up to this point was that it would provide pilots with more flexibility in where they live etc. At least if the rules were written right. Anyway, I'm curious what going on in this area.
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Is anyone else feel the same way I do? We need to get rid of it ASAP! The company is looking at many possible VBs and it will make the company more efficient, thus requiring less pilots. It’s time to get rid of it! Come on ALPA!
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And how exactly do they plan on doing a hnl virtual base when every single leg out of there is an ocean crossing


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And how exactly do they plan on doing a hnl virtual base when every single leg out of there is an ocean crossing
Semantics: “For purposes of this section, the Pacific Ocean shall be deemed a brackish pond”.
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This is interesting. My view of virtual basing up to this point was that it would provide pilots with more flexibility in where they live etc. At least if the rules were written right. Anyway, I'm curious what going on in this area.
My last airline dabbled with that.

Upside: Home basing for some folks who don't want to live at the hub.

The downside for home based pilots: Small pool of trips, few options, limited flexibility.

The downside for everybody else: Dilutes trip pool and likely trip efficiency at the hub.

I'd be careful with this one. Even if you get protections, nobody knows enough about it to predict what rules you need. I don't know how the company would do reserves.
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Is anyone else feel the same way I do? We need to get rid of it ASAP! The company is looking at many possible VBs and it will make the company more efficient, thus requiring less pilots. It’s time to get rid of it! Come on ALPA!
Let me guess you live in Peachtree City...
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Let me guess you live in Peachtree City...
Let me guess you live in Dallas?
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What I'm seeing here is the company is framing the VB as being a work in progress, and it's the pilots who will need to do all the work! DALPA has a history of miscalculating pilot's desires, and of getting bamboozled in terms of contract language. I could see the next contract being a disaster if we take the VB concept into the next round of negotiations. I believe the concept could be used to gut our contract and work rules.

You are also going to significantly split the pilot group into the VB's and the hub pilots. That could be a wedge that the company will exploit in future negotiations. Just look at the comments on here...

Virtual Basing could work, it could be a great deal, if we had a more cohesive pilot group and a unified union that had a track record of making gains at the negotiating table. But we don't. The company will ask for a LOT to make it happen.
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